China Threatens War With The U.S.

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Burger said:
Most of that 19.9 trillion is owed to the Social Security fund.
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Not true. Social Security and other future liabilities and obligations like Medicare/Medicaid and other entitlements are estimated to be in the $100-150 trillion range IN ADDITION TO the $19 trillion.

The $19 trillion represents the summation of deficit spending each year and money printing we've done. You've got $12-15 trillion of US treasuries and notes that are outside of the US. If those US treasuries and notes ever come back home after some major loss of confidence, then you will see runaway hyperinflation here at home.
 
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golfballs said:
China's debt is through the roof, and all they have to show for it is alibaba and a bunch of ghost cities
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Yeah, China went into "debt" building mega-infrastructure projects and items in a real economy.

Our debt went into bombing countries in the Middle East to the Stone Age and the FED pumping money into a fake economy and stock market to give Americans an illusion of a wealth effect as they look at their 401k statements.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yeah, China went into "debt" building mega-infrastructure projects and items in a real economy.

Our debt went into bombing countries in the Middle East to the Stone Age and the FED pumping money into a fake economy and stock market to give Americans an illusion of a wealth effect as they look at their 401k statements.
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This is the biggest disappointment of all.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Where is this sentiment coming from? China has 1.2 billion people. They can replace our 320 million market with domestic sales, not to mention the new opportunities in SE and SW Asia with the new Silk Road/Silk Belt. That is why the Chinese are in the South China Sea. They cannot afford to have the US/NATO blockade the Straits of Malacca. That is the main thoroughfare for energy coming to China (oil) and exports leaving China.
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You could be right, but I don't really think that those South China Sea bases would do much to stop a concerted effort by the US and the allies who made up SEATO if they wanted to block those shipping lanes. The bases themselves are really pretty vulnerable - almost like bait for the provocation that China would want for retaliation.

I do think the Chinese bases could be a real thorn in the side to non-Chinese shipping if the US and other interests are too pansy (or Obama-like disinterested) to limit interference - like state sponsored pirates just "protecting" their waters. Just a creeping disease that spreads because it wasn't eradicated in the early stages - better known in political circles as appeasement.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well, one way that China has been able to shoehorn their way into situations is that the Chinese offer to build up the local infrastructure and offer mutually beneficial trade deals. Meanwhile, we offer IMF loans that allows us to take control of their local resources or we just use gunboat diplomacy and just threaten countries.
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Makes China something like kudzu or the friendly loan shark - before the enforcement end of the bargain becomes necessary. China may be the ultimate tar baby.
 
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f china, take out their satellites, then cut off their ginseng allotments. those bassturds will crumble...


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AM64 said:
You could be right, but I don't really think that those South China Sea bases would do much to stop a concerted effort by the US and the allies who made up SEATO if they wanted to block those shipping lanes. The bases themselves are really pretty vulnerable - almost like bait for the provocation that China would want for retaliation.

I do think the Chinese bases could be a real thorn in the side to non-Chinese shipping if the US and other interests are too pansy (or Obama-like disinterested) to limit interference - like state sponsored pirates just "protecting" their waters. Just a creeping disease that spreads because it wasn't eradicated in the early stages - better known in political circles as appeasement.
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Again, China is the largest exporter and probably in the top 3 importers in the world. Why in the world would they want to bottleneck that region? It would only benefit Western interests to do that. China, Japan, Malaysia, Vietnam, Indonesia, The Philippines and others would all be hurt by that.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Why is this any of our business?
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Shipping, allies and pre existing patrol routes. What makes it China's business? I really hope you give me the South CHINA Sea be again.

China helped write the international regulations that made the islands not theirs.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well, one way that China has been able to shoehorn their way into situations is that the Chinese offer to build up the local infrastructure and offer mutually beneficial trade deals. Meanwhile, we offer IMF loans that allows us to take control of their local resources or we just use gunboat diplomacy and just threaten countries.
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You have no idea how China works. Actually look at their deals and all the favors they have done. They end up owning the resources in the ground. The home countries end up paying china for the right to host them.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Where is this sentiment coming from? China has 1.2 billion people. They can replace our 320 million market with domestic sales, not to mention the new opportunities in SE and SW Asia with the new Silk Road/Silk Belt. That is why the Chinese are in the South China Sea. They cannot afford to have the US/NATO blockade the Straits of Malacca. That is the main thoroughfare for energy coming to China (oil) and exports leaving China.
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They don't make enough money to replace us. As soon as they make enough money the jobs that made them rich will leave to find cheaper makers.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yeah, China went into "debt" building mega-infrastructure projects and items in a real economy.

Our debt went into bombing countries in the Middle East to the Stone Age and the FED pumping money into a fake economy and stock market to give Americans an illusion of a wealth effect as they look at their 401k statements.
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It went into making china unsustainable. Moving your population to cities where they don't have jobs or income isn't some great reason to go into debt.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Again, China is the largest exporter and probably in the top 3 importers in the world. Why in the world would they want to bottleneck that region? It would only benefit Western interests to do that. China, Japan, Malaysia, Vietnam, Indonesia, The Philippines and others would all be hurt by that.
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Extortion racket. Pay us or something might happen. Red tape and hold ups for non Chinese shipping, they are already doing this keeping out other nations shipping and fishing interests.

At best they are offering a service we already do at worst they are creating a monopoly with their hand on the button.
 
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Did anyone hear about this?

After getting into a physical altercation last fall with a Chinese official over the White House’s “nuclear football,” Chief of Staff John Kelly reportedly said that he will only accept an apology if a senior Beijing official travels to Washington and expresses contrition while standing under a U.S. flag, The Wall Street Journal reported Friday. The altercation occurred during Trump’s visit to Beijing, Axios reported, when President Trump walked into the Great Hall of the People. A Chinese official tried to stop the military aide who was carrying the nuclear football—the portable device capable of launching the U.S. arsenal and likely triggering World War III—from following him, and another official alerted Kelly. As Kelly moved to resolve the situation, a Chinese security official is said to have grabbed him. Kelly pushed off the official’s hand, and a U.S. Secret Service agent tackled the official to the ground. Axios noted that no Chinese officials ever touched the nuclear controls, and the head of the Chinese security detail later apologized to the Americans—which, apparently, wasn’t enough to satisfy Kelly.
 
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Mick said:
Did anyone hear about this?

After getting into a physical altercation last fall with a Chinese official over the White House’s “nuclear football,” Chief of Staff John Kelly reportedly said that he will only accept an apology if a senior Beijing official travels to Washington and expresses contrition while standing under a U.S. flag, The Wall Street Journal reported Friday. The altercation occurred during Trump’s visit to Beijing, Axios reported, when President Trump walked into the Great Hall of the People. A Chinese official tried to stop the military aide who was carrying the nuclear football—the portable device capable of launching the U.S. arsenal and likely triggering World War III—from following him, and another official alerted Kelly. As Kelly moved to resolve the situation, a Chinese security official is said to have grabbed him. Kelly pushed off the official’s hand, and a U.S. Secret Service agent tackled the official to the ground. Axios noted that no Chinese officials ever touched the nuclear controls, and the head of the Chinese security detail later apologized to the Americans—which, apparently, wasn’t enough to satisfy Kelly.
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Wow..... that's pretty heavy
 
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Mick said:
Did anyone hear about this?

After getting into a physical altercation last fall with a Chinese official over the White House’s “nuclear football,” Chief of Staff John Kelly reportedly said that he will only accept an apology if a senior Beijing official travels to Washington and expresses contrition while standing under a U.S. flag, The Wall Street Journal reported Friday. The altercation occurred during Trump’s visit to Beijing, Axios reported, when President Trump walked into the Great Hall of the People. A Chinese official tried to stop the military aide who was carrying the nuclear football—the portable device capable of launching the U.S. arsenal and likely triggering World War III—from following him, and another official alerted Kelly. As Kelly moved to resolve the situation, a Chinese security official is said to have grabbed him. Kelly pushed off the official’s hand, and a U.S. Secret Service agent tackled the official to the ground. Axios noted that no Chinese officials ever touched the nuclear controls, and the head of the Chinese security detail later apologized to the Americans—which, apparently, wasn’t enough to satisfy Kelly.
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I'm with Kelly on this. Totally unacceptable behavior from the Chinese.
 
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Mick said:
Did anyone hear about this?

After getting into a physical altercation last fall with a Chinese official over the White House’s “nuclear football,” Chief of Staff John Kelly reportedly said that he will only accept an apology if a senior Beijing official travels to Washington and expresses contrition while standing under a U.S. flag, The Wall Street Journal reported Friday. The altercation occurred during Trump’s visit to Beijing, Axios reported, when President Trump walked into the Great Hall of the People. A Chinese official tried to stop the military aide who was carrying the nuclear football—the portable device capable of launching the U.S. arsenal and likely triggering World War III—from following him, and another official alerted Kelly. As Kelly moved to resolve the situation, a Chinese security official is said to have grabbed him. Kelly pushed off the official’s hand, and a U.S. Secret Service agent tackled the official to the ground. Axios noted that no Chinese officials ever touched the nuclear controls, and the head of the Chinese security detail later apologized to the Americans—which, apparently, wasn’t enough to satisfy Kelly.
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We all need to put our political differences aside and come to terms that China is a real threat to our country.
 
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Mick said:
Did anyone hear about this?

After getting into a physical altercation last fall with a Chinese official over the White House’s “nuclear football,” Chief of Staff John Kelly reportedly said that he will only accept an apology if a senior Beijing official travels to Washington and expresses contrition while standing under a U.S. flag, The Wall Street Journal reported Friday. The altercation occurred during Trump’s visit to Beijing, Axios reported, when President Trump walked into the Great Hall of the People. A Chinese official tried to stop the military aide who was carrying the nuclear football—the portable device capable of launching the U.S. arsenal and likely triggering World War III—from following him, and another official alerted Kelly. As Kelly moved to resolve the situation, a Chinese security official is said to have grabbed him. Kelly pushed off the official’s hand, and a U.S. Secret Service agent tackled the official to the ground. Axios noted that no Chinese officials ever touched the nuclear controls, and the head of the Chinese security detail later apologized to the Americans—which, apparently, wasn’t enough to satisfy Kelly.
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Wow. China is the real threat to the USA, not Russia.
 
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davethevol said:
We all need to put our political differences aside and come to terms that China is a real threat to our country.
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Nah. We all know its Russia. You know because Trump, as a private citizen, had international business dealings with them. So that automatically means Russia is now the clear enemy.
 
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