Arian Foster has Beef with NCAA...........

[govols/cc]

Yes and no, cash flow should be allowed to people that are selling their bodies for entertainment......

Strippers only work for tips.

 

[slh1089]

It's a double edged sword with all of this to be honest. Can we not agree that the NCAA is basically the only avenue a football player ACTUALLY has to get to the NFL? Something seem backwards in making an excellent athlete maintain a certain level of academic accomplishment but not forcing a student on merit scholarship maintain a certain level of physical fitness in order to maintain their academic scholarship.

 

[Vol_Doc]

It's a double edged sword with all of this to be honest. Can we not agree that the NCAA is basically the only avenue a football player ACTUALLY has to get to the NFL? Something seem backwards in making an excellent athlete maintain a certain level of academic accomplishment but not forcing a student on merit scholarship maintain a certain level of physical fitness in order to maintain their academic scholarship.

Interesting angle.

 

[govols/cc]

Maybe the school should just supply the alcohol & bud & call it square.

 

[UT IE 95]

Plenty of a-list athletes get cushy jobs that aren't available for the gen pop while in school.

 

[sanddune50]

And you are a ****ing moron for ignoring the similarities between them. I just spelled it out real simple like for you. They are both firmly entrenched profiteering establishments.

Both leverage heavy penalties to their advantage, in order to maintain their cash cow. On those grounds alone, the comparison can be reasonably made...with or without your permission.

I think someone's been hitting those funny cigarettes with his homey during the course of this thread. That's the only explanation I could see for trying to draw some sketchy parallel to slavery and college football.

 

[Pulscifer]

One Billion Dollars!

Haha

 

[Volgrad01]

There are some striking parallels between them, so it's a relevant comparison on some level.

Yes on "some" level of insanity this is a relevant comparison. Slavery, seriously? Slaves were taken away from their homeland, forced to work, forcefully separated from their families, harassed, whipped, beaten, sexually abused, forced to reproduce and then watch their children be sold at auction, and lived under the threat of death to themselves and their family if they tried to escape. Yeah, I don't see it.

 

[Volgrad01]

It is to the student athlete on a full scholarship.

Not necessarily.

NCAA Rules Trap Many College Athletes in Poverty - DailyFinance

 

[ochocinco]

Exactly. And trying to claim that their scholarships is reasonable compensation is about rational as saying that room and boarding was reasonable compensation for slaves, prior to the end of the Civil War.

Compensation should be relative to the sport and amount of income generated. Sports that don't generate enough income, simply don't benefit from those that do. Most of UT's sports are funded by the Football dept. So, they are already getting a free ride. They should feel no sense of entitlement to receive the same compensation that a football player would. Just like every other profession in the world.

You want the big bucks, then you have to go where the big bucks are and try to break into that profession.

nobody is forcing these guys to play college football. they could go work at the local factory out of high school. there are plenty of guys who would LOVE to play football and get a free education.

 

[ochocinco]

how many guys have made it to the NFL without their college training? they are there to learn a skill just like any other student. id like to see a guy leave high school get a gold membership , workout for a few years then submit his name for the draft.

 

[ochocinco]

football players produce money above and beyond what they are "paid" for a scholarship. The same is not true for an English major

the 20k + non student athletes pay tuiton that far outweighs football revenue. without the english majors there in no university. plenty of school dont have football teams

 

[rmsmith]

how many guys have made it to the NFL without their college training? they are there to learn a skill just like any other student. id like to see a guy leave high school get a gold membership , workout for a few years then submit his name for the draft.

If $ is that important to them out of high school they can work while in college. Like justin said though, its hard to do both. So which do you want? $ now, or $$$ later. If they want it now they can quit football. They are aware they won't be getting paid before they sign on to play.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Agent?

Union Rep....Failed at Nissan in Nashville and Volkswagon in Chattanooga and is now trying to stir the pot with the NCAA.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Raise the admission requirements across the board, minimum ACT of 24.

Then you have true student athletes going to school to earn a degree and help them out

Let the NFL start a minor league football league for the ones that only go to college to get to the NFL. Dont care anything about learning or getting a degree


Problem solved

This!

 

[82_VOL_83]

Well you finally got under my skin. Took quit a bit of your ignorant ranting and drivel, but you did it.:

RU serious? What rock have you been living under? Google Search "ESPN, CBS, contract, SEC".

Each school in the SEC averaged about $18+mill/yr just from their TV contracts alone. That was before it expanded with TAM and UM. It will get much higher now. Even if the football players were to receive a measely 1% of that, it's $180k divided by 85, that is still about $2k. At 10% (of TV revenue alone...not even including merchandise/licensing and ticket sales), that's roughly $21k/yr. That is not asking a lot and should be VERY doable.

You sir are just like every other union MORON that I have ever met. Thank god all union members are not as freaking ignorant as you are. You are one of those members that walk around all day waving your stupid union flag screaming grievance grievance grievance and NEVER get any work done. The other members generally despise you because they do all the work and all you do is run around and bark. Let me do some simple math for you that you might be able to handle had you finished High School. 1% of $18,000,000 (that you claim UT generated in TV revenue yet you can't link a RELIABLE source too) is $180,000. ASS-U-MING that the average scholarship awarded for football at THE UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE is around 25k per year, that totals $2,125,000 which is 11.8% of the revenue that you so excitedly stated was not even 1%. UT, per the source that I LINKED earlier, was in the red last year for the entire AD. So what you are telling me is, YOU, MR UNION RAH RAH, want to organize the Football and Basketball teams. Well let's see, you most likely wouldn't get the women's basketball team because with Coach Summit leaving soon, they will probably go back in the red and per your soon to be organized union rules, would not be paid. You would probably get half of the basketball team because most of them realize that by them getting paid, they would be kicking someone else out of a scholarship because, since UT's AD is in the red, there just isn't any money. You would maybe get 75% of the football team because by your rules, only about %50 would get paid because the other %50 don't contribute, they just stand on the sidelines and compare jock strap sizes. So, let's do some quick Middle School Math....64 football players + 6 basketball players nets you about 70 votes for your new union from UT. Since EVERY college AD is "it's own business" you would have to unionize each school. So you will get 70 - 100 votes from the entire student athlete population of over 500. Don't think you will get your union. And, if the kids feel strongly enough about being paid, they can quit, get a job at Jiffy Lube and work out everyday until they are eligible to enter the draft. Problem solved.

Kettle, meet Mr. Pot...by the way, he says it's you who are black. Just schooled you on the math...no charge (for tutor fees).

IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH ME BEING BLACK??? IF THERE IS MAYBE THE MODS CAN CHAT WITH YOU. And as far as tutoring me at math....pleeeeeease. You need to finish High School first, then we can talk.

Maybe you can call Mike Hamilton a liar then, when he himself stated publicly that he gave millions to the rest of the AD on top of what they already give each year, and that the football program basically funds the other programs. Only the Basketball teams were somewhat self-sufficient.

Want to try again, professor?

I have no idea what your last attempt at being a wise behind was about, but if Mike Hamilton said that he and the rest of the AD support a majority of the Academic side of the house, then yes, he is a liar.

 

[fearsvols]

Because you say so? What do you have to back up your statements with? Garbage...as we will see.

In your profession, you have a multitude of different businesses to work for, and thus have more leverage to leave an untenable (compensation) arrangement.
For a skilled football or basketball athlete, they only have one option (NCAA). And their scholarships are no different than one on an academic scholarship. Lots of funds are donated for athletic scholarships. The difference here is that football and basketball athletes usually generate FAR more revenue than is expended. It is merely this disparity that is brought into question. Let's use your own figures as a good example.

On TV revenue alone, UT generates in excess of $18mill/yr. The scholarship costs you mention isn't even 10% of that figure. This doesn't even factor in all the other forms of revenue generated (Ticket sales/Luxury Suites/Merchandise/Licensing/Radio/Donations/Athletic scholarships provided via donations...from guys like Peyton Manning and other alumni.
You're absolutely ignorant if you think that the Universities aren't well-taken care of...and able to return 10-20% of all revenue back to those who generate it for them.

Dumbest argument ever, the 18 million Ut gets has nothing to do with the players. It doesnt matter if its Suggs or Manning at qb they are going to get the tv revenue check.
If i remember correctly theres maybe 30 or so Athletic departments who make a profit. What do you do with all the other schools? Cancel the athletic dept and how many kids have you screwed out of getting an education. This is the typical all about me attitude..

 

[82_VOL_83]

Dumbest argument ever, the 18 million Ut gets has nothing to do with the players. It doesnt matter if its Suggs or Manning at qb they are going to get the tv revenue check.
If i remember correctly theres maybe 30 or so Athletic departments who make a profit. What do you do with all the other schools? Cancel the athletic dept and how many kids have you screwed out of getting an education. This is the typical all about me attitude..

As of last year, 22 that I could find. I linked an article. Ref page 1 this thread. And surprisingly to me, UT isn't one of them. I thought that we were in the black.

 

[slh1089]

Dumbest argument ever, the 18 million Ut gets has nothing to do with the players. It doesnt matter if its Suggs or Manning at qb they are going to get the tv revenue check.
If i remember correctly theres maybe 30 or so Athletic departments who make a profit. What do you do with all the other schools? Cancel the athletic dept and how many kids have you screwed out of getting an education. This is the typical all about me attitude..

That is why the NCAA should send a check the Universities' way.

 

[vols-1]

It's minor league football, plain and simple. NCAA makes billions off of these kids.

Well the 'kids' are welcome to join the CFL.

 

[VOLZZ]

This is why I love college football and getting bored with the NFL. These kids in college go out every week and bust their ass, playing their best and trying to prepare for the next level. Not saying all NFL players but i feel the majority, after recieving their multimillion dollar contracts seem to get relaxed and not play at the level their getting paid to. To me, the college level play is so much more exciting.

 

[knoxvols1]

Arian Foster.. Talking about college football. Who cares?
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[tennesseefan31]

I guess I don't have the socialist mindset. I don't see being an athlete at a school the equivalent of slavery. I also don't see where what a school makes in it's program has ANYTHING to do with compensating the players any more than they already are. I work for a company. I agreed to a salary to take the job. My company makes a zillion dollars a year and I knew that when I took the job. Now all the sudden, I am saying wait a minute, you need to pay me more because you are profitable in this division (yet the company as a whole is in the red). Once again, if you know the rules and the compensation when you sign the letter, don't complain about it at a later date. It's not like these kids get to a school and go oh crap, I didn't realize that I was only going to get 40 to 50k per year to be here, I want more! Once again, you won't see the NCAA treating a swimmer any different than a football player. EVER! So given that, where is the money going to come from to pay ALL of the student athletes the SAME amount?

Edit: ALSO, if the baseball team is on TV, do the baseball players get that money? If so, is it only the players that played or only the scholarship players or each player on the team? What happens if every sport at a school runs in the red, do they not get paid? What if a sport is in the red one year and the black the next? Do they get paid one year and not the next? Do you pay the stars on the FB team more than the guys that practice EVERY day but never get to play on game day? That have just as much "invested" in the team as the guy that gets to play.

The knee jerk reaction to this issue is always the same. However, no one seems to give it a whole lot of thought and never weighs the consequences. It's very easy to sit back and cast stones at a problem, it's very hard to come up with real solutions to a problem.

Technically speaking, that just isnt true. Why do you think there are 85 scholarships available to football coaches for 85 spots, whereas in baseball there are 12 for 35 spots? Could it be that the football players and their profits are more valuable to the NCAA?

 

[tennesseefan31]

Plenty of great players can easily score that minimum 24

I would rather UT put a student on scholarship that wants a degree first, than one that only has the aspirations to leave as soon as they get a chance

Don't lie just to help your argument. If you had the choice between a Justin Hunter talent with a 19 ACT and my 5'8" cousin Joe with a 25 on his ACT, you'd take the former everyday of the week. To insinuate otherwise is simply laughable.