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#228
#228
NashVol11 said:
Come on. Phil got dominated by pretty much every decent coach he faced.
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
vs Spurrier 5-9 (.357)
vs Miles 1-2 (.333)
vs Richt 3-5 (.375)
vs Meyer 0-4 (.000)
vs Saban 1-5 (.167)
vs Tubberville 3-4 (.429)
13-29 vs upper tier SEC coaches (.310)

8-6 Bowl record (.571)
3-4 Bowl record since 2000 (.429)
1-2 BCS bowls (.333)

32-39 vs top 25 (.451)
13-27 vs top 25 since 2000 (.325)

12-27 vs top 10 (.308)
5-17 vs top 10 since 2000 (.227)
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#230
#230
NashVol11 said:
Above .500 in the NFL is a pretty major accomplishment, especially when you spend much of it in Oakland. Saban was what, 15-17?
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People think the NFL is like college. You don't have major talent gaps in the NFL, it is totally about execution and coaching. To suggest Gruden "lacks" in the coaching department is absurd. 11 season only 3 losing seasons, 5 playoff appearances, a super bowl ring, and another conference championship appearance. Plus his coaching Tree is insane. Callahan, Marinelli, R. Morris, Trestman, Bradley, his brother, Tomlin, and McVay. People are crazy to suggest he wasn't a good coach.
 
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#234
#234
GreveHaller said:
Doug Matthews was on 104.5 today and said something to this effect. We need a person that can coach players, not a person that can recruit. He alluded that we currently have a good recruiter but the coaching portion lacks. That being said, even if Gruden could recruit, his record indicates he lacks in the area of coaching. There's a good reason he's .500. He's currently doing what he needs and wants to do.
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Bill Parcells: .569
Mike Ditka: .560
Mike Shanahan: .552
Jon Gruden: .541
Bill O'Brien: .536
Tom Coughlin: .531
Tom Flores: .527
Nick Saban: .469

Hell, even Jay Gruden is one of the best offensive minds in the NFL and is .455. If you think a .540 NFL winning percentage (with a Super Bowl ring) is evidence someone can't coach, that is just brutally stupid. It shows that the person either barely follows the NFL or is being willfully ignorant. I don't care if they were a college RB coach 30 years ago.
 
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#236
#236
Ttucke11 said:
People think the NFL is like college. You don't have major talent gaps in the NFL, it is totally about execution and coaching. To suggest Gruden "lacks" in the coaching department is absurd. 11 season only 3 losing seasons, 5 playoff appearances, a super bowl ring, and another conference championship appearance. Plus his coaching Tree is insane. Callahan, Marinelli, R. Morris, Trestman, Bradley, his brother, Tomlin, and McVay. People are crazy to suggest he wasn't a good coach.
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Right. Too many college football fans don't understand this
 
#237
#237
GreveHaller said:
Since Matthews has actually coached in college and you havent, we'll go with his assesment
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What does that matter? Saban says he thinks Butch Jones is doing a really good job and is a really good coach. I guess that means Butch is the answer right?

Saban was below .500 in the NFL. So was Spurrier and Chip Kelly. Gruden is widely considered a great coach. If he wanted a head coaching job, he'd absolutely have his pick of any openings at any level of football. Hell I bet even Manchester United would have some level of interest in him.
 
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#238
#238
Of the many mistakes by Hamilton (if they where mistakes, he may have been trying to mess things up) the firing was the one that will set back this program for several decades. It all started in 2004. Just after Phil and Pat endorsed him. He began the tear down of the program. Ainge admitted that in 2005 Hamilton tried to recruit him. Hamilton started the tear down of the program and then got Haslem's blessing by telling him to not let all of Neyland's records be broken and they fired him.

Had he got the support earlier, none of this would have happened. Then when he did manage to sabotage the program, he was faced with a chorus of coaches telling him (as Stoops did) "if Phil can't make you happy then neither can I". That leaves you with the garbage of Kiffin, Dooley and Jones. Had he came to the most successful coach in school history and Hall of Famer and said lets start working on a 5 year succession plan. After 5, Fulmer would have kept clicking at 10 wins per year, every 3-4 years in Atlanta, breaking all of Neyland's records, he would have finished as the 2nd winningest coach in SEC history and he would have been on board to help with his successor. He was voted by his peers as CF coaches President. They all respected him. He could have helped bring in someone that could have kept it rolling.

Those that do not know the truth behind it all and just keep saying the great one slipped....keep on. And that is why it will be a very long time before you ever see 10 wins or Atlanta again.
 
#239
#239
Carp said:
What does that matter? Saban says he thinks Butch Jones is doing a really good job and is a really good coach. I guess that means Butch is the answer right?

Saban was below .500 in the NFL. So was Spurrier and Chip Kelly. Gruden is widely considered a great coach. If he wanted a head coaching job, he'd absolutely have his pick of any openings at any level of football. Hell I bet even Manchester United would have some level of interest in him.
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And what does Saban, Spurrier, Kelly, etc.... have that Gruden doesnt?

College Head Coaching experience


You're trying to make comparisons when there's flagrant variable. Grudens next win as a CFB HC will be his first.

Just remember if you say there's a reason Fulmer isnt a HC somewhere, the same can be said about Gruden.

If you say the game passed Fulmer by, then the same can be said about the guy that

1. Has never been a CFB HC

2. Hasnt been a HC in 9 years

3. Hasnt been part of a college football program in 28 years

Yeah, dont quit your lithium:crazy:
 
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#240
#240
GreveHaller said:
Just remember if you say there's a reason Fulmer isnt a HC somewhere, the same can be said about Gruden.
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Fulmer was begging for jobs, including South Florida and Louisville, and no one was interested. Gruden can have damn near any job he wants. Those are far from "the same."
 
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#242
#242
GreveHaller said:
And what does Saban, Spurrier, Kelly, etc.... have that Gruden doesnt?

College Head Coaching experience


You're trying to make comparisons when there's flagrant variable. Grudens next win as a CFB HC will be his first.

Just remember if you say there's a reason Fulmer isnt a HC somewhere, the same can be said about Gruden.

If you say the game passed Fulmer by, then the same can be said about the guy that

1. Has never been a CFB HC

2. Hasnt been a HC in 9 years

3. Hasnt been part of a college football program in 28 years

Yeah, dont quit your lithium:crazy:
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"He hasn't coached in college for a while, because he's been beating much better coaches with a much smaller talent advantage and winning a Super Bowl. Do not want."
 
#244
#244
NashVol11 said:
It's like a high school turning down Nick Saban because "we've never seen him do it in high school." Yeah, he's only reached great heights at a much higher and harder level. Probably not qualified.
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Except going from college to high school would be easier because you don't recruit, don't have the violations, etc. You have your enrolled players, and abide by the schedule. Not a big deal. Plus, Saban has actually coached in the past decade. Gruden hasn't.

You're wanting a guy who has never had to recruit in the modern game, has never been a coordinator in the college game, and is 45-51 in his last 6 years coaching, which was 10 years ago.
 
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#245
#245
whobethis16 said:
Except going from college to high school would be easier because you don't recruit, don't have the violations, etc. You have your enrolled players, and abide by the schedule. Not a big deal.

You're wanting a guy who has never had to recruit in the modern game, has never been a coordinator in the college game, and is 45-51 in his last 6 years coaching, which was 10 years ago.
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And going from the NFL to college is much easier, in terms of winning.

Why did you choose his last 6 years? What happened in that 7th one?
 
#246
#246
whobethis16 said:
Except going from college to high school would be easier because you don't recruit, don't have the violations, etc. You have your enrolled players, and abide by the schedule. Not a big deal. Plus, Saban has actually coached in the past decade. Gruden hasn't.

You're wanting a guy who has never had to recruit in the modern game, has never been a coordinator in the college game, and is 45-51 in his last 6 years coaching, which was 10 years ago.
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Doesn't sound too different from Pete Carroll when USC hired him.
 
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