Trade with China has cost 3,200,000 American jobs

[agent|orange]

Trade with China has cost 3.2 million American jobs — in all but one congressional district — report finds - The Washington Post

 

[govols/cc]

Is this suppose to be a surprise? Good ole nafta hasn't helped much either.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I'm actually shocked that it is ONLY 3.2 million.

 

[agent|orange]

I'm actually shocked that it is ONLY 3.2 million.

I think this is only trying to equate the number with direct manufacturing job loss. If we go theoretical (i.e. 1 job lost, if here, could create 2 more due to dependent manufacturing/marketing/etc that could crop up) it could be much much higher.

We were backseated with this deal to China. They've thanked us by additionally stealing mainly ours and European IP to copy.

You're a proponent of BRICS, right Ras? You probably think this is a good thing.

 

[n_huffhines]

Trade with China has cost 3.2 million American jobs — in all but one congressional district — report finds - The Washington Post

The real question is, does the benefit outweigh the cost (and also, another good question is is that 3.2M figure real?)?

 

[Velo Vol]

The real question is, does Wall Street benefit?

Fixed.

 

[n_huffhines]

That's not a question. Everyone knows they always benefit.

 

[Carl Pickens]

The real question is, does the benefit outweigh the cost (and also, another good question is is that 3.2M figure real?)?

Exactly what benefit would that be?

 

[volfanhill]

Exactly what benefit would that be?

I am guessing cheap consumer goods

 

[MG1968]

Imagine how expensive an iphone would be if it were made here in the USA by quality union labor.

We can't have it both ways, either it gets made "over there" and sold here at an affordable price, or it gets made here and costs twice as much.

 

[agent|orange]

Imagine how expensive an iphone would be if it were made here in the USA by quality union labor.

We can't have it both ways, either it gets made "over there" and sold here at an affordable price, or it gets made here and costs twice as much.

Average salaries would rise to compensate for a more expensive cost of living. That's why a cop in San Francisco makes almost double what a cop in Columbia, South Carolina makes.

The problem that causes is CEOs would have to relinquish their stranglehold on income disparity. But they wouldn't.

So consumers are to blame. And before someone goes full potato on me, I guess wanting a 1950s income parity makes me a frothing socialist.

 

[#VFL__]

Average salaries would rise to compensate for a more expensive cost of living. That's why a cop in San Francisco makes almost double what a cop in Columbia, South Carolina makes.

The problem that causes is CEOs would have to relinquish their stranglehold on income disparity. But they wouldn't.

So consumers are to blame. And before someone goes full potato on me, I guess wanting a 1950s income parity makes me a frothing socialist.

To the majority on here, yes it does. We are here to work for corporations and it's our fault that we are all poor. Somehow stocks becoming more important than taking care of your employees had zero to do with it.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Imagine how expensive an iphone would be if it were made here in the USA by quality union labor.

We can't have it both ways, either it gets made "over there" and sold here at an affordable price, or it gets made here and costs twice as much.

Wtf is that? I've never heard of such....

 

[FLVOL_79]

To get your cheap dollar store/walmart/ikea crap you have to have slave type labor costs. Thats why the US manufacturing economy is becoming a service economy. You can blame regulation and rights and all that for those jobs going away.

Chinese factory workers get about $1.50 an HOUR on average......US guys make about $25 on average...

And wowzerLols at the chance of dying at work in China..good lawd!

And for some fun:
CNN Global Wage Calculator - CNN.com

Im worth 50 teachers in Ethiopia!!

 

[Carl Pickens]

To the majority on here, yes it does. We are here to work for corporations and it's our fault that we are all poor. Somehow stocks becoming more important than taking care of your employees had zero to do with it.

If this is your outlook, then get off your complaining ass and start your own business.....

 

[MG1968]

To the majority on here, yes it does. We are here to work for corporations and it's our fault that we are all poor. Somehow stocks becoming more important than taking care of your employees had zero to do with it.

You make it sound as if working for Levi Strauss in the 1970's and 80's was some grand career.

 

[FLVOL_79]

To the majority on here, yes it does. We are here to work for corporations and it's our fault that we are all poor. Somehow stocks becoming more important than taking care of your employees had zero to do with it.

But...it is. We all make decisions in life and must live with the consequences.

HOWEVER..having tons of money doesnt make you rich or better off than other people. I got 3 couples here at work pulling a metric Asston of cash..all of them broke, miserable, hate their lives. They all wonder how I have a nicer car, house, go on trips, etc, making less than them.

Make smart decisions :good!:

Sadly for many people listening to their parents during their high school years doesnt happen and only years later do you realize "Damn, Mom and Dad were right! I should have studied more and strived for better grades!". Well, back to sucking sh!t outta portapotties! :whistling:





And I don't have a huge alcohol/drug problem so I save some $ there.

 

[n_huffhines]

Exactly what benefit would that be?

Trade with China undoubtedly creates jobs.

Cheaper goods, thus higher standard of living for everyone who buys those goods.

 

[#VFL__]

If this is your outlook, then get off your complaining ass and start your own business.....

That would eventually be taken over after I died by some ivy league graduate that gives two ****s about the product or the people that I employed. It's the same process with every business. The person that starts it, does it because they usually enjoy or care about the product. Then it just becomes a number game for someone else to justify making 400x the people that I would have justly paid and given benefits to.

I'm not poor, the majority of my fellow Americans are. This will continue until we are all second class citizens and our ability to choose our life's path will gradually decline. It's just something that I think most people can see with their eyes and most can certainly feel it in their pockets.

 

[volfanhill]

But...it is. We all make decisions in life and must live with the consequences.

HOWEVER..having tons of money doesnt make you rich or better off than other people. I got 3 couples here at work pulling a metric Asston of cash..all of them broke, miserable, hate their lives. They all wonder how I have a nicer car, house, go on trips, etc, making less than them.

Make smart decisions :good!:

Sadly for many people listening to their parents during their high school years doesnt happen and only years later do you realize "Damn, Mom and Dad were right! I should have studied more and strived for better grades!". Well, back to sucking sh!t outta portapotties! :whistling:





And I don't have a huge alcohol/drug problem so I save some $ there.

Is it a small alcohol/drug problem?

 

[FLVOL_79]

Is it a small alcohol/drug problem?

An affordable one :good!:

Minus drugs, I like my job too much to hit the old bong.

 

[MG1968]

Wtf is that? I've never heard of such....

I think the quote is from "True Lies" when the terrorists are confronted by the goons running the docks.

Or maybe it's from "Eraser".

 

[#VFL__]

But...it is. We all make decisions in life and must live with the consequences.

HOWEVER..having tons of money doesnt make you rich or better off than other people. I got 3 couples here at work pulling a metric Asston of cash..all of them broke, miserable, hate their lives. They all wonder how I have a nicer car, house, go on trips, etc, making less than them.

Make smart decisions :good!:

Sadly for many people listening to their parents during their high school years doesnt happen and only years later do you realize "Damn, Mom and Dad were right! I should have studied more and strived for better grades!". Well, back to sucking sh!t outta portapotties! :whistling:





And I don't have a huge alcohol/drug problem so I save some $ there.

Yep I completely agree with you. I think the problem is that most people are getting less from their parents than what I got or what maybe you receieved. Broken families living in poverty will always produce misguided adults.

 

[tumscalcium]

I think the quote is from "True Lies" when the terrorists are confronted by the goons running the docks.

Or maybe it's from "Eraser".

Eraser I believe.

Don't mess wit da Union.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Yep I completely agree with you. I think the problem is that most people are getting less from their parents than what I got or what maybe you receieved. Broken families living in poverty will always produce misguided adults.

Thats a huge factor in it. Unfortunately that appears to be a cultural issue and I really cant wrap my mind around a solution to fix various aspects of culture (black/white/etc) so kids can be more responsible.

I had Ivy league parents so the pressure was always on in our house to do at school and go to Princeton or something. Instead we all went to Tennessee; parents dont appear disappointed. :good!: