You guys realize......

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GmanTN said:
As a fan if you cannot see that this team is talented but poorly coached then there is no hope for you.

First year coach at A&M Kevin Summerlin has his team ranked, DD has had 3 years to build on and we still struggle.

Vandy, Ole Miss, Missouri and Arkansas have had more success than we have had to this point this year. Our schedule is always going to have Florida, GA, Bama and SC in the rotation at the same time each year. We have to have a coach who can go out and recruit against those teams and win some if we are going to beat them on the field. Dooley has proven he is not the guy who can do this.
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This is the most simple basic yet truthful way I've seen it laid out. And yes, if folks can't see the underlying issues within this team, then I feel for them. Good post.
 
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coug said:
Let's say (hypothetically speaking of course) we hire a new coach. For AT LEAST the first year that that new coach comes in here we're more than likely going to still suck(to be blunt).
I just get this feeling(can't imagine why:whistling:) that a lot of people in here are under the impression that the very same day we get a new coach(if we do) the program is going to just miraculously turn itself around. That's simply not going to be the case, you do realize that, right?
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I'm not sure.

I believe a good coach would have won the Georgia, MSU, and USC games this year. Additionally, I don't believe the Florida game was out of reach.

That is a real possibility and our year would be on a totally different course.

The games we lost seem to be from coaching problems, ie players not mentally prepared, beating ourselves, poor defensive calls, 3rd and stupid, etc. There is talent at UT, I just think we don't have leadership from Dooley and therefore the players lack confidence needed to win these big games.
 
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coug said:
Let's say (hypothetically speaking of course) we hire a new coach. For AT LEAST the first year that that new coach comes in here we're more than likely going to still suck(to be blunt).
I just get this feeling(can't imagine why:whistling:) that a lot of people in here are under the impression that the very same day we get a new coach(if we do) the program is going to just miraculously turn itself around. That's simply not going to be the case, you do realize that, right?
:hi:
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Kevin Sumlin is in his first year as a HC at TAM and has them impressing everyone. You're basing the assumption on normal rebuilding that occurs. Gruden is not looking at a rebuilding job. Dooley did do a good job of getting the talent to compete. He just can't coach em.
 
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TacomaJPP said:
I'm not sure.

I believe a good coach would have won the Georgia, MSU, and USC games this year. Additionally, I don't believe the Florida game was out of reach.

That is a real possibility and our year would be on a totally different course.

The games we lost seem to be from coaching problems, ie players not mentally prepared, beating ourselves, poor defensive calls, 3rd and stupid, etc. There is talent at UT, I just think we don't have leadership from Dooley and therefore the players lack confidence needed to win these big games.
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I disagree somewhat. There have been bad calls and players who are not leaders and are undisciplined. I think however that the majority of the losses this season can be mostly pinned on the lack of defense. We simply gave up too many points and too much yardage.
 
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coug said:
Let's say (hypothetically speaking of course) we hire a new coach. For AT LEAST the first year that that new coach comes in here we're more than likely going to still suck(to be blunt).
I just get this feeling(can't imagine why:whistling:) that a lot of people in here are under the impression that the very same day we get a new coach(if we do) the program is going to just miraculously turn itself around. That's simply not going to be the case, you do realize that, right?
:hi:
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Ohio State fans disapprove of your post.
 
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coug said:
I disagree somewhat. There have been bad calls and players who are not leaders and are undisciplined. I think however that the majority of the losses this season can be mostly pinned on the lack of defense. We simply gave up too many points and too much yardage.
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May I ask, who do you think that reflects on mostly? The coach or the players?
 
#32
#32
coug said:
You bring an entire new coaching team in here and there's going to be completely different concepts being taught, new strategies, new styles, new plays, new routes, the kids will have to buy into all that as well as absorb it and learn it. Surely you can't possibly think that's going to be a quick process, even with talented kids?
At the very best you might see a decent team the second half of the first season.
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You mean like the 49ers last year?
 
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KingNick865 said:
May I ask, who do you think that reflects on mostly? The coach or the players?
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I understand where you're trying to go with that and it's an easy call to lay that on the coach. I'm not on the sidelines, in the locker room, or on the practice field however to truly know the whole story and the variables involved.
 
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#35
I think Gruden could win 9-10 games with the roster here, just imagine what he could do with some top 5 recruiting classes under his belt! Man I hope we get Gruden. Its time we get what we deserve... a big time coach!
 
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VFL 24/7 said:
I think Gruden could win 9-10 games with the roster here, just imagine what he could do with some top 5 recruiting classes under his belt! Man I hope we get Gruden. Its time we get what we deserve... a big time coach!
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Say the aforementioned coach isn't available or doesn't accept, who is your second or third pick as coach?
 
#38
#38
thebjd said:
Like that is a bad thing. We currently have a coach that has proven he can't get it done anywhere. We should all hope this happens.
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The NFL and CFB are two completely different worlds.
 
#39
#39
No matter who we hire it will still take another 2-4 years to compete with Bama,LSU, Florida and Georgia's Talent
our recruiting has been way down and UT's recruiting ratings very inflated
 
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give_him 6 said:
We will suck with next years schedule, but everyone is all gung-ho about playing Oregon. Myself, it too brutal of a schedule to expect much.
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I agree. Austin Peay, Western Kentucky, and South Alabama are real strong opponents
 
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petebee50 said:
The only problem with yalls way of thinking is, you have no way of knowing that whoever comes here will succeed. You can't know. You can hope,but not know. Some believe Dooley needs another year to succeed. We have no way of knowing if it will help. We can hope,but not know. So there you have it,we both have something in common. Trouble is we could both be right or wrong. I say Dooley deserves the chance to prove his continued improvement. But lets say it goes your way Dooley goes. Continuing getting your way. Gruden blesses Tennessee with his presense. He isn't the football god,he loses to all the same teams Dooley did. What now? We've bought out dooley and maybe his staffs contracts,paid gruden an lucritive salary with a six year contract with NO results. We've run outta money. Bought a pig in a poke we can't afford to get rid of
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(Per the bolded above:)
Look, everyone knows that until this year I was the biggest CDD apologist on the board. But...

He's had that chance. He's proven only the inability to beat anyone of substance. Move on.

(And per the italicized above:)
We do not have that in common. CDD is not an "unknown". He has had three years to prove that he can not coach up and win against the SEC. The definition of insanity is expecting different results from repeating the same mistakes.

While technically, Gruden would be an "unknown", he is "unknown" in the same way that the sun coming up tomorrow is "unknown". It always has, so we can have reasonable faith that it will again.

Gruden has won the biggest goals on the biggest stage against the best talent. He has shown the coaching and leadership abilities to win in the NFL. It is not a stretch to believe that he will show the same qualities in the SEC, and win for UT.
 
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coug said:
I understand where you're trying to go with that and it's an easy call to lay that on the coach. I'm not on the sidelines, in the locker room, or on the practice field however to truly know the whole story and the variables involved.
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The coaches are, therefor are in the perfect position to recognize and correct.

They haven't.
 
#43
#43
Even if we aren't good in the first year, it would be better than never being good by having the wrong coach. I'm willing to give up that possibility for the future of Tennessee being brighter.
 
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