Yeah, I'm mad at Kiffin, but this is Hamilton's fault

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Kiffin is able to get out of his contract 3 weeks before signing day? Really? 800k buyout? Gee, that's a lot for USC to pay.

That contract was way too soft. If he doesn't get a AAA hire in a day or two he needs to be run out of town.
 
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Wii60 said:
Kiffin is able to get out of his contract 3 weeks before signing day? Really? 800k buyout? Gee, that's a lot for USC to pay.

That contract was way too soft. If he doesn't get a AAA hire in a day or two he needs to be run out of town.
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Could not agree more. First, you give the guy you fire $6M to walk away, and you allow some other school to - quite literally - rape your program for the
forseeable future for a mere $800K.

Hamilton had better hit a moon shot - an absolute rocket of a hire - or he might as well announce his resigning at the presser where he names some lesser candidate as the new HC. Oh yeah, and he better get it done within the next 5-7 days.

Hamilton is going to ride this, "I was blind-sided" angle for as long as he can, but he'd be foolish to think that this alone would save him.
 
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hamilton made the best hire at the time, we all were surprised even him. hamilton name would not even come up if lane hadn't left. hopefully he make another good hire.

kiffin was still a good hire at the time, not hamilton's fault
 
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Tenacious D said:
Could not agree more. First, you give the guy you fire $6M to walk away, and you allow some other school to - quite literally - rape your program for the
forseeable future for a mere $800K.

Hamilton had better hit a moon shot - an absolute rocket of a hire - or he might as well announce his resigning at the presser where he names some lesser candidate as the new HC. Oh yeah, and he better get it done within the next 5-7 days.

Hamilton is going to ride this, "I was blind-sided" angle for as long as he can, but he'd be foolish to think that this alone would save him.
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I don't you can use the "blind-sided" excuse at all. He should never be able to put himself in a situation where he can be blindsided.
 
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mrgqsmooth3000 said:
hamilton made the best hire at the time, we all were surprised even him. hamilton name would not even come up if lane hadn't left. hopefully he make another good hire.

kiffin was still a good hire not hamilton fault
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I agree, or at least I will when time heals our wounds, that Kiffin was a good hire. HOWEVER, the contract was still too soft. A good AD would never put us in this boat.
 
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Tenacious D said:
Could not agree more. First, you give the guy you fire $6M to walk away, and you allow some other school to - quite literally - rape your program for the
forseeable future for a mere $800K.

Hamilton had better hit a moon shot - an absolute rocket of a hire - or he might as well announce his resigning at the presser where he names some lesser candidate as the new HC. Oh yeah, and he better get it done within the next 5-7 days.

Hamilton is going to ride this, "I was blind-sided" angle for as long as he can, but he'd be foolish to think that this alone would save him.
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Negative...he has probably less than 48 hrs from the time the news broke...or this class will be shattered beyond all hope of repair. Every day means a few more recruits walk...wait for another 6-7 days....might as well write this season off and cancel football next year...cause it will be ugly non-stop til he's gone.

Hamilton made to critical mistakes, IMHO. He thought that since he caught Kiffin on the rebound, looking for a job...that he could snare him with a lowball contract...making .5-1million less/yr than Fulmer, to do what Fulmer couldn't do. You might be able to initially lowball a desperate coach, but it only makes them long to leave ASAP. There is no loyalty due a cheapskate. Kudos for the measures taken for the rest of the staff, but $2mill/yr vs 4-4.5 mill for Saban, Meyer & Richt is nearly insulting.

The 2nd mistake is not having the coach on the hook to the same degree we would be if we fired them. If we would have to pay the full amount, so should they. The first 2 yrs should be especially punitive to get out.
 
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You can say it's Hamilton's fault or not. All you have to do is look at where the program was when he got here and where it is now to determine whether he should go or not. Give that idiot the ax, he's done enough damage.
 
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Hamilton should have never put the present and future of TN football in jeopardy over saving a few bucks. Out smarted himself. He should protect the program from scumbags like the Kiffen's and Coach Ed.
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anybody know what the typical contract terms are at other SEC schools?

just wondering if 800k range is the norm.
 
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And if you think about it, he did hire Bruce Pearl. Certainly a good decision and a good hire. But last year we were in a position to lose him to Memphis before he got us wins in the Tourney.

And on the more important football side, he gave Fulmer an extension and fired him within a year and then this fiasco. He does have an eye for talent, but the contracts are unacceptable.
 
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luck that Carroll suddenly decided to leave--and that Kiffin got hired by usc; he certainly wasn't their first or even second choice. Kiffin was risky in the sense that he is highly ambitious and spent a lot of time in LA--who really thought he would stay in Knoxville a long time?. I figured he'd leave for another NFL gig after four years or so.

I agree about the buyout. When are these idiot ADs going to use their leverage when hiring a guy to put some really punitive terms in the contract related to leaving the program in the short term!? That's stupid. ADs have leverage when hiring--they should use it. That said, was a $2 million buyout going to stop Kiffin from leaving? usc is his dream college job.
 
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mrgqsmooth3000 said:
hamilton made the best hire at the time, we all were surprised even him. hamilton name would not even come up if lane hadn't left. hopefully he make another good hire.

kiffin was still a good hire at the time, not hamilton's fault
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The hiring of LK is not in question.....

That Hamilton did not best protect our program from this eventuality speaks directly not only to his leadership, but quite frankly, his competency.

Like it or not, it was Hamilton's sole responsibility to ensure that LK's contractual terms were stronger than a simple $800K buyout. Oh yeah, and it's also his fault for giving Monte an "out" in his contract to follow LK if he left.

Q: What's worse than the fact that we are utterly screwed?

A: That we made it all too easy for someone to do it.
 
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You have got to be kidding.. MH's fault... How would he know that Al Davis was right and Lane would lie to his face?
 
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You guys are amazing. Yesterday, CLK hung the moon. Today you want to hang him in effigy.

We opted for sizzle and show and that's what we got. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing; it just comes with the territory. Anyone who thought CLK was here for the long haul wasn't being realistic. Sure it happened quicker than expected but when Pete C decided to leave, I really don't see how anyone could be surrised at Kiffin's decision.
 
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armchair said:
luck that Carroll suddenly decided to leave--and that Kiffin got hired by usc; he certainly wasn't their first or even second choice. Kiffin was risky in the sense that he is highly ambitious and spent a lot of time in LA--who really thought he would stay in Knoxville a long time?. I figured he'd leave for another NFL gig after four years or so.

I agree about the buyout. When are these idiot ADs going to use their leverage when hiring a guy to put some really punitive terms in the contract related to leaving the program in the short term!? That's stupid. ADs have leverage when hiring--they should use it. That said, was a $2 million buyout going to stop Kiffin from leaving? usc is his dream college job.
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USC hired him because he was an easy, quick hire after he was rejected. Kiffin won't be making much more at USC than he did here. A bigger buyout and tougher language would have gone a long way.
 
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Volinnooga said:
You guys are amazing. Yesterday, CLK hung the moon. Today you want to hang him in effigy.

We opted for sizzle and show and that's what we got. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing; it just comes with the territory. Anyone who thought CLK was here for the long haul wasn't being realistic. Sure it happened quicker than expected but when Pete C decided to leave, I really don't see how anyone could be surrised at Kiffin's decision.
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Which is why we're blaming Hamilton.
 
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Volinnooga said:
Were you saying that last week?
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You apparently don't read my posts, i think he should have been removed with the Fulmer tumor. You know what they say leave a little and it grows back. I've never been a fan of his. To business like and he's even screwing that up these days. He's a clown that should be unemployed.
 
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cutnitclose said:
You have got to be kidding.. MH's fault... How would he know that Al Davis was right and Lane would lie to his face?
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It is his job to know. He's not some fan. He's the AD.

When your hire walks on you like that, and at the same time attempts to wreak havoc on your program in such a way as to disable it for at least the next 2-3 years, then the responsibility for that failure rests with you.

Ask yourself this: do you think Dickey would've hired Kiffin? Or would he have went looking elsewhere?

I don't think Kiffin makes Dickey's list at all, for all the reasons we've seen over the last several hours.
 
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Tenacious D said:
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Hamilton is going to ride this, "I was blind-sided" angle for as long as he can, but he'd be foolish to think that this alone would save him.
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We'd be fools to want to keep a guy who gets blindsided on this level.

Regardless, when the next guy comes in, he needs to understand (read: be subject to contractual penalties virtually guaranteeing) that he is making a long term commitment.
 
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T.N. Buckingham said:
It is his job to know. He's not some fan. He's the AD.

When your hire walks on you like that, and at the same time attempts to wreak havoc on your program in such a way as to disable it for at least the next 2-3 years, then the responsibility for that failure rests with you.

Ask yourself this: do you think Dickey would've hired Kiffin? Or would he have went looking elsewhere?

I don't think Kiffin makes Dickey's list at all, for all the reasons we've seen over the last several hours.
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That's exactly why Tennessee should cut bait with Hamilton, give him his walking papers. This is embarrassing and unacceptable, he should get his just reward for it too.
 
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