Wow @ Gruden...another debacle had we hired him [update: Gruden resigns]

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You're so tore up you can't reply accurately.

Did the players overwhelming elect him again?

Do a shot, take a puff or whatever you need to do to relax and stop embarrassing yourself. Later, look up "perverted" in the dictionary so you know the meaning. Then, think about what you've been doing for the past 2 hours and look into the mirror.

Sleep well young man
Read dippy. He was re-elected by the player reps. Even a couple weeks ago, his position was in question.

Listen, wash the dishes, run the vacuum. Maybe your wife will give you back your nuts.
 

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I will let you have that silver platter your ass was served on
You got your ass whipped. You said I had no knowledge of players dissatisfaction with Smith and I presented 2 articles, 1 just last week, that questioned if Smith could survive. You were wrong, both for your love of Smith and questioning my knowledge. You are a sad sad fool that only comes here to argue.
 

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You got your ass whipped. You said I had no knowledge of players dissatisfaction with Smith and I presented 2 articles, 1 just last week, that questioned if Smith could survive. You were wrong, both for your love of Smith and questioning my knowledge. You are a sad sad fool that only comes here to argue.
First of all, if you have to make up a statement like, "your love of Smith", then you're a sad individual. Second, your continued fascination with my nuts is indicative of someone who didn't look up the meaning of "perverted" in the dictionary. You can't deny you called me perverted and mentioned my nuts on two separate occasions. Third, you have ABSOLUTELY no understanding of how difficult it might be to negotiate with 32 of the most astute businessmen in the world.

Another silver platter with your ass. Served rare
 
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Yes, the cowardice of numbers.
I'm like you in that it doesn't bother me personally what Gruden has said in those emails. My opinion on it being justified he's no longer coaching is a totally different matter. There is absolutely no scenario where an organization can keep him under the circumstances which he created with his opinions. It isn't a result of a recent cultural change. If it happened 25 years ago, he would still be out of his job. I hate it for him because I like him, in that I've liked the guy in his public persona. I don't know him personally so I can't speak to his behavior behind closed doors. Whether you agree or disagree with that take is unknown to me at the moment. Regardless, his employer has every right to evaluate him on his behavior behind closed doors
 

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I'm like you in that it doesn't bother me personally what Gruden has said in those emails. My opinion on it being justified he's no longer coaching is a totally different matter. There is absolutely no scenario where an organization can keep him under the circumstances which he created with his opinions. It isn't a result of a recent cultural change. If it happened 25 years ago, he would still be out of his job. I hate it for him because I like him, in that I've liked the guy in his public persona. I don't know him personally so I can't speak to his behavior behind closed doors. Whether you agree or disagree with that take is unknown to me at the moment. Regardless, his employer has every right to evaluate him on his behavior behind closed doors
Just like the story that come out about that woman that worked at a dealership and had a onlyfans. She started posing in her work uniform with the company name and number on it. Once people started calling the number and and asking if she worked there they fired her for making "porn" while wearing the company name. A company will drop you like a hot potato every time if you do something to paint them in a bad light or rock the boat and they fully have that right. Its about money for them, if you endanger that dollar you are toast.
 
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First of all, if you have to make up a statement like, "your love of Smith", then you're a sad individual. Second, your continued fascination with my nuts is indicative of someone who didn't look up the meaning of "perverted" in the dictionary. You can't deny you called me perverted and mentioned my nuts on two separate occasions. Third, you have ABSOLUTELY no understanding of how difficult it might be to negotiate with 32 of the most astute businessmen in the world.

Another silver platter with your ass. Served rare
You display all the signs of a battered spouse syndrome. Calling 32 NFL football players astute businessmen is a joke. Stats show a majority will be broke within 5 years of leaving the league. That’s a fact Jack. In addition, until I educated you on how the Idiot Smith was elected, you thought it was a vote of all the players. Again you were wrong. You only spew your opinion & attacks. You never support your stupidity with one article. I showed you two that proved what a fool you are.

Oh BTW, it appears you’re infatuated with my ass.
 
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I'm like you in that it doesn't bother me personally what Gruden has said in those emails. My opinion on it being justified he's no longer coaching is a totally different matter. There is absolutely no scenario where an organization can keep him under the circumstances which he created with his opinions. It isn't a result of a recent cultural change. If it happened 25 years ago, he would still be out of his job. I hate it for him because I like him, in that I've liked the guy in his public persona. I don't know him personally so I can't speak to his behavior behind closed doors. Whether you agree or disagree with that take is unknown to me at the moment. Regardless, his employer has every right to evaluate him on his behavior behind closed doors
His employer certainly has the right to do so. All for that. I love openness and honesty. It lets me know what kind of an organization they are and it reminds me of why I stopped watching that league years ago.

Do I think Gruden is a racist? No. Is there a victim here? No. Given all that, the response is absurd.
 
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You display all the signs of a battered spouse syndrome. Calling 32 NFL football players astute businessmen is a joke. Stats show a majority will be broke within 5 years of leaving the league. That’s a fact Jack. In addition, until I educated you on how the Idiot Smith was elected, you thought it was a vote of all the players. Again you were wrong. You only spew your opinion & attacks. You never support your stupidity with one article. I showed you two that proved what a fool you are.

Oh BTW, it appears you’re infatuated with my ass.
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So, for the record you have no problem whatsoever with Gruden saying that an African American’s lips are the size of Michelin tires?
First, I don’t jump to the individual’s race. He made a disparaging remark about an individual. There is no need to push it beyond that unless someone has an agenda.

Second, where have I said I support making disparaging remarks about people?
 

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But Smith must negotiate with the owners. They're astute businessmen.

It's obvious you either don't read or have comprehension issues.
Smith is a puppet. Everyone but you and a few others recognize it. He won because the NFL wants him to continue screwing the players. Players are either not interested enough or too satisfied with short term money to demand a change.
 
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First, I don’t jump to the individual’s race. He made a disparaging remark about an individual. There is no need to push it beyond that unless someone has an agenda.

Second, where have I said I support making disparaging remarks about people?
Come on, really? Making fun of the size of an African American’s lips is not racist unless someone has an agenda?

Also, I love how you build your case over several posts then when someone exposes the ridiculousness of it, you claim to never have made the case.
 

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Come on, really? Making fun of the size of an African American’s lips is not racist unless someone has an agenda?

Also, I love how you build your case over several posts then when someone exposes the ridiculousness of it, you claim to never have made the case.
Come on? Yes, I don’t assume racist intent behind someone’s remarks. I’ll leave that to people like you, evidently.

What ridiculousness have you exposed? I asked for a victim. None offered by you. Just more rambling fueled by assumptions.
 
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Come on? Yes, I don’t assume racist intent behind someone’s remarks. I’ll leave that to people like you, evidently.

What ridiculousness have you exposed? I asked for a victim. None offered by you. Just more rambling fueled by assumptions.
In your opinion then, racism exits only in the minds of those claiming to be offended. Wow.

You are claiming Gruden should keep his job and that there is nothing wrong with the statements he made in his emails because there is no “victim”. In response, I asked you for the record if you’re ok with Gruden’s comments regarding the size of another African American’s lips, and your reply is “where did I say it is ok to make disparaging remarks against people?”

LOL
 

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In your opinion then, racism exits only in the minds of those claiming to be offended. Wow.

You are claiming Gruden should keep his job and that there is nothing wrong with the statements he made in his emails because there is no “victim”. In response, I asked you for the record if you’re ok with Gruden’s comments regarding the size of another African American’s lips, and your reply is “where did I say it is ok to make disparaging remarks against people?”

LOL
Reading seems to hard for you. You keep jumping to claims I haven’t made.

You’re on the side of making negative assumptions about people’s intentions here, not me.

Smith does have big lips. So at this point you’re firing a guy based on his accurate observation and your perceived racial intentions behind those comments.

Btw, if racial and homophobic comments are the bar, the league will need to cancel this weekends games. They wouldn’t have enough eligible players.
 
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Reading seems to hard for you. You keep jumping to claims I haven’t made.

You’re on the side of making negative assumptions about people’s intentions here, not me.

Smith does have big lips. So at this point you’re firing a guy based on his accurate observation and your perceived racial intentions behind those comments.

Btw, if racial and homophobic comments are the bar, the league will need to cancel this weekends games. They wouldn’t have enough eligible players.
So it wasn’t a disparaging comment? Just a casual observation of one’s physical characteristics.

You’re in no man’s land here
 

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