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I have been a volfan for 20+ years and I hope we win the rest of our games. That said, I have considered Fulmer and Chavis out of touch with the current college game for sometime now. The game Monday pretty much confirmed that to no end. Although it is unlikely, (so was us losing to UCLA) do you think if we start 0-2 this year that it would force some kind of change or a resignation of one of the 2? If not what kind of disasterous start would it take for a big change before the end of the season? 0-3, 0-4? Thoughts?
 
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I firmly believe short of losing every game this year, bologna head will still be our coach.
 
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Kind of a pointless argument since even if the coaching is as bad as it was against UCLA, we're still going to beat UAB by a couple touchdowns.
 
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no. even 0-2, our conf. goals are still intact. and there's still opportunity against FL, GA, AUB and BAma to regain confidence.

now, that's not how i feel, but that's the reality. i don't see anything of any signifcant threat to his job security unless we lose to all of the afformentioned teams and wind up 7-5 or worse. then it might be more than a rumbling.

but it was made painfully clear this off season that CPF is the man for hte job. it will take a meltdown of epic proportions to sever those ties, imo.

just like last year, i expect this team to put it's back against the all and come out swinging and pull out some wins that we don't expect right now, and finish 8-4 or so.

that way everyone on the hill can just keep looking to next year, just like they have every year since 2005.
 
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Kind of a pointless argument since even if the coaching is as bad as it was against UCLA, we're still going to beat UAB by a couple touchdowns.

yeah but it gave me a chance to call fulmer ''bologna head''.......i think that was harsh though.:)
 
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Kind of a pointless argument since even if the coaching is as bad as it was against UCLA, we're still going to beat UAB by a couple touchdowns.

Careful, that's what everyone said about UCLA. I am pretty sure we will win as well, but at this point I am going to go into each game feeling like it's at least 50/50 after what I saw Monday.
 
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yeah but it gave me a chance to call fulmer ''bologna head''.......i think that was harsh though.:)


Yeah, harsh to the bologna. I'm torn when it comes to bashing Fulmer. I can't believe how ridiculously stupid he can be made to look by other coaches but he is a great man. I just wish he was the OL coach and not the HC.
 
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If we start off 0-2, we will definetely beat Florida. Just when the heat is getting things to a rolling boil, Fulmer will find a way to pull out a win and herd the flock back on the bandwagon.
 
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I don't know if anything football wise will get him off the hill. He will have to do it for personal reasons.

Pride is great with that one.

Edit: FWIW, I think the UCLA loss will ignite the team and we will win big games including FL, GA, and Bama.
 
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Yeah, harsh to the bologna. I'm torn when it comes to bashing Fulmer. I can't believe how ridiculously stupid he can be made to look by other coaches but he is a great man. I just wish he was the OL coach and not the HC.

I agree with you on that.
 
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i hate to think of an 0-2 start, but 55 is right 0-2 would have a great chance to lead to 0-4 and if that happens....? when is the last time we have been 0-4? if that doesn't cause an up roar then TN football may as well be vandy, or sc football.
 
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The only way Fulmer even comes close to the hot seat this season is going .500 or worse. He's not "unfireable" like some of you like to believe. It will just take a lot for him to be put behind the 8-ball. Like consecutive losing seasons.

I doubt that will happen. We will still pull a few out somehow, as always happens, and simply out-talent a few other teams to get to 7 or 8 wins.
 
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i hate to think of an 0-2 start, but 55 is right 0-2 would have a great chance to lead to 0-4 and if that happens....? when is the last time we have been 0-4? if that doesn't cause an up roar then tn football may as well be vandy, or sc football.

1988?
 
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I don't know if anything football wise will get him off the hill. He will have to do it for personal reasons.

Pride is great with that one.

Edit: FWIW, I think the UCLA loss will ignite the team and we will win big games including FL, GA, and Bama.

i hope you are right, but i just don't see it. maybe 1 of the 3. we got major work to do to win all 3.
 
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I am no longer confident of our Defense. What has happened on that side of the ball?

I don't think CPF will ever be fired here. He has been here too long. If he is forced to step down, there would be some kind of administrative job for him. Just my opinion
 
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I am no longer confident of our Defense. What has happened on that side of the ball?

I don't think CPF will ever be fired here. He has been here too long. If he is forced to step down, there would be some kind of administrative job for him. Just my opinion

The defensive players (when they were playing aggressive in the first half), seemed to do a decent job. It is the coaching decisions in the second half that we have seen time and time again that frustrates the fans.
 
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I am no longer confident of our Defense. What has happened on that side of the ball?

I don't think CPF will ever be fired here. He has been here too long. If he is forced to step down, there would be some kind of administrative job for him. Just my opinion

Chavis has lost touch along with CPF. I don't think he will be fired either, but at what point does he realize that maybe for the good of the program, he should step aside? Getting to an SEC championship on a wing and a prayer only to lose is NOT TN football.
 
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The defensive players (when they were playing aggressive in the first half), seemed to do a decent job. It is the coaching decisions in the second half that we have seen time and time again that frustrates the fans.


exactly. prevent d in close games is probably the worst call in defensive football...
 
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My thought is that with Fulmer's contract extention, automatic renewal clause, new OC in place, and closing in on Bryant's record, there is no possible way he gets fired. He may be encouraged to walk, but he's not getting fired.

I do think Chavis, and everybody else on that side of the ball for that matter, will go under the bus at the end of this year however if there's not a very evident change in attitude, aggressiveness, and performance starting wit UAB.
 
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^ Agreed. If our defense continues to get burned, Chavis will get Randy Sanders'd by the season's end.
 
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This thread reminds me of the 2005 season where we basically said every game, that we would win the next one,...and for all practical purposes we diddnt...There is however a difference though and that is this year there are more expectations that we will lose alot more games than we should where as 2005 we diddnt see that type of season coming until it was already upon us
 
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Vol fans, the milquetoast AD and the boosters. I have pretty high standards for UT--meaning we should be winning an SEC title every few years (at LEAST once every five years). It's not been 10 since we did. And we should be AT LEAST 500 if not better with our SEC rivals--florida, georgia and bama, along with lsu.

Somebody posted it yesterday on another board: Since 2000 Fulmer is 10 and 21--or it may be 10 and 20--against florida, georgia, auburn, lsu and in bowl games. Throw in bama, which the guy should have (we are 5-3 against bama in that period, I think), and the record is 15 and 24 or 15 and 23. UT's got a losing record in bowls and against all those teams except bama since 2000--and, crucially, bama has been trending toward the L column recently, and who doubts that bama will be much tougher with saban now. If Hammy isn't aware of all this--and concerned about it--he should be sacked first, and then Fulmer.

And yet, knowing this, there are fans who think we can't do better than Fulmer! Talk about stupid. Can't do better than 10-21? or 15 and 24? That kind of defeatist attitude is nauseating. I'm about to write Hamilton and tell him to wake up and take a REAL look at the program, which he apparently does not want to do. The Ucla game was an absolute window on Fulmer and his teams since 2000. I don't want UT to wallow in mediocrity for 15 years because the money men think the school owes Fulmer lifetime employment for winning a national title a decade ago. It's appalling to see how psu and fla.state have put their old coaches ahead of their programs. Michigan didn't: Carr won a title too--and he got retired. Programs are more important than coaches.
 
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