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knoxvol52 said:
Worse than CC last playoff game shooting wise ..

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Gabby Williams said that their primary job was to tire her out, and based on her last shot, one of the very few open shots she got, hit the front of the rim. I was disappointed in her shooting in this game, but the way they were harassing her I take issue with Jose for playing her 38 minutes, and I believe she played all 20 minutes in the second half. Still, the Wings were heavy underdogs so I applaud them for the near upset. It was bad enough that they were missing Fudd, their best shooter and best perimeter defender, but losing Alanna Smith being injured in the World Cup was a tremendous blow.
 
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I had heard of A'ja's "special whistle" but wasn't sure I believed it. Then I watched the Fever - Aces series and had trouble believing my eyes. I mean, she trips over her feet, falls down, and they call a foul on the nearest Fever player? Even the announcers went to great lengths to concoct theories about her shooting form to account for her special whistle. But still, maybe not, right? Well maybe so..

 
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RetroVol said:
I had heard of A'ja's "special whistle" but wasn't sure I believed it. Then I watched the Fever - Aces series and had trouble believing my eyes. I mean, she trips over her feet, falls down, and they call a foul on the nearest favorite player? Even the announcers went to Great lakes to concoct theories about her shooting form to account for her special whistle. But still, maybe not, right? Well maybe so..

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…those with eyes to see and ears to hear shall discern likewise.
 
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chuckiepoo said:
Pulling Alexa Phillipou as an example of journalistic integrity is hilarious! 🤣
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Maybe I've missed something, but she is one of the best most reliable W sources I know of. She's very well connected also very cautious in what she posts.
madtownvol said:
If the Sparks now ex-coach flop orchestrated the Rickea trade, that might be the biggest self own in league history. Only a faulty ACL, kept the Sparks from looking like the biggest idiots since the Red Sox traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees.
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It wasn't exactly that Roberts orchestrated the trade. That happened the instant the Sparks hired her. Roberts style, which she was completely devoted to, is just incompatible with Rickea's game. What Roberts did, in desperately trying to explain what appeared a nonsensical trade, said it was for a defensive upgrade. Which completely pushed Rickeas buttons, apparently in a good way for her D.
 
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While the tripping call on Boston was stupid and happened to be very consequential, it's not accurate to credit that to a special Aja whistle. Refs have been making this call both in college and pros forever. Whenever anyone falls, 90% of the time they call tripping on the closest player.

The other "player safety" call that's gotten completely out of hand is the safe landing zone call. Shooters obviously jump forward, even on to the feet of the defender, but the defender gets called. Even upgraded to a flagrant.

Both of these need to be studied in the next ref Improvement Clinic
 
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glv98 said:
Maybe I've missed something, but she is one of the best most reliable W sources I know of. She's very well connected also very cautious in what she posts.
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I’m guessing Chuck is gigging her because of her former beat covering the CT Huskies women and the Sun. I tend to ignore coverage of the Huskies unless a Tennessee sport is involved, but her general reporting has always seemed excellent to me. She’s a well educated (Stanford!!!!), legitimate professional reporter, so she’s not out here posting info she’s not sure is coming from a solid source.
 
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Enjoyed this podcast Sophie and Drew Hanlen, but this story by Sophie about what an official said after the brutal take-down of Lexie Hull by Bri Turner (foul on Lexi, of course) is just, well, it left me completely gob-smacked:

Can we get into this clip a little bit? I’ve been dying to talk about this. Lexi was playing great defense, and Brie Turner actually came and hooked her and, like, low-key did a WWE move. It could have been dangerous—her shoulder legit could have popped out. If you watch the clip, it’s a dangerous play. Definitely an upgrade. Flagrant one could have been flagrant two, because sometimes I don’t know how the refs call—whatever.

So, on this play right here, that guy stepped out. I mean, I guess we should start causing more of a reaction to how other people come into Gainbridge and try to call our fans all these names, all this trash. No, we have great fans, and we’re proud to represent them. They represent us.

Love that. We just know how to handle ourselves, so good job, us Fever girls.

On that play, though, Steph White comes and calls a timeout and tries to challenge it. One of the officials calls her for a T for coming out on the court. And we’re like, “We’re trying to challenge it.”

Then one of the refs, Tim—I said, “Tim, why can’t we challenge that?”

And he goes, “I don’t know the rules.”

What? What? You’re a ref in the playoffs, and you don’t know the rules?


Here's the video. This section is at 34:56.

 
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glv98 said:
While the tripping call on Boston was stupid and happened to be very consequential, it's not accurate to credit that to a special Aja whistle. Refs have been making this call both in college and pros forever. Whenever anyone falls, 90% of the time they call tripping on the closest player.

The other "player safety" call that's gotten completely out of hand is the safe landing zone call. Shooters obviously jump forward, even on to the feet of the defender, but the defender gets called. Even upgraded to a flagrant.

Both of these need to be studied in the next ref Improvement Clinic
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Maybe they could even put "knowing the rules" in the next Improvement Clinic. Or, just, you know, don't hire officials who don't?
 
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If anyone has watched the many podcasts on YouTube regarding CC, you know that some of the Fever fan bases are racist and unbelievably hard on anyone saying anything remotely negative against her. Because she didn't start in the WC they claim that she was BENCHED. What a stupid thing to say, because the vets deserved to be in the starting line-up. Of course that is another story, but to prove that the fan base is crazy, just listen to them complain against CC's teammates when they get praise from the coach or even other teammates. They preach that CC is the only player that deserves attention and praise, with the others, which include the Fevers best player, Kelsey Mitchel and Alyah Boston, are just role players that depend on CC to win games. These podcasters take the littlest thing and blow it up, and the fanbase just eats it up. These are the people who are ruining the Fever experience for the rest of their fans. Why Stephanie White, or Boston and Mitchell put up with that crap is a mystery to me. Free agency, jump ship and get away from the madness, join teams with great chemistry and a fan base that appreciates good players whether they play well or not. Protect your mental state and get out while you can.
 
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RetroVol said:
Maybe they could even put "knowing the rules" in the next Improvement Clinic. Or, just, you know, don't hire officials who don't?
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I think you're overreacting to an off hand comment made in the heat of battle, probably just to get Sophie out of his face. He could have been being sarcastic etc If every red can't recite exactly what can be challenged when and where, there are certainly other officials on site who can.

Plucking this comment to have a hissy over may be confirmation bias
 
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RetroVol said:
Enjoyed this podcast Sophie and Drew Hanlen, but this story by Sophie about what an official said after the brutal take-down of Lexie Hull by Bri Turner (foul on Lexi, of course) is just, well, it left me completely gob-smacked:

Can we get into this clip a little bit? I’ve been dying to talk about this. Lexi was playing great defense, and Brie Turner actually came and hooked her and, like, low-key did a WWE move. It could have been dangerous—her shoulder legit could have popped out. If you watch the clip, it’s a dangerous play. Definitely an upgrade. Flagrant one could have been flagrant two, because sometimes I don’t know how the refs call—whatever.

So, on this play right here, that guy stepped out. I mean, I guess we should start causing more of a reaction to how other people come into Gainbridge and try to call our fans all these names, all this trash. No, we have great fans, and we’re proud to represent them. They represent us.

Love that. We just know how to handle ourselves, so good job, us Fever girls.

On that play, though, Steph White comes and calls a timeout and tries to challenge it. One of the officials calls her for a T for coming out on the court. And we’re like, “We’re trying to challenge it.”

Then one of the refs, Tim—I said, “Tim, why can’t we challenge that?”

And he goes, “I don’t know the rules.”

What? What? You’re a ref in the playoffs, and you don’t know the rules?


Here's the video. This section is at 34:56.

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WWF or serious self-defense tactics
Locking arm and throwing or flipping Lexi

As someone pointing out in video you have hock arm locking it for Leverage and flip someone to ground.

Video said that wasn't a battle for a rebound.
that was intentions of flipping someone
 
#3,916
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RetroVol said:
Smart woman. As I've said, I've come to really appreciate Kelsey Mitchell as a player and, from what I've seen, as a person this season. But perhaps she would do well to listen to Courtney here:

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I can't understand why it's so impossible for any of them to grasp the concept of simply logging off, or if impossible to do that at their age, make your social media private Talk to only those you want to talk to.

Of course it's a shame and a huge social issue that all that toxic vitriol exists, but the first step has to be protecting yourself from it

He/she who keeps their comments public are opening Pandora's box willingly.
 
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DarkPhoenix said:
Kelsey Mitchell is finally free, now they can’t Core her anymore, and she gets to walk for free with no compensation, good play by her✌🏾

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Every time her team tried to promote her, the CC crew kept tearing her down. Can't imagine what it's like to hear this stuff from your own fanbase



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Kelsey Mitchell is a free agent and has been loyal to Indiana throughout her career. Who can blame her for looking at her options including considering the pros and cons of staying at Indiana. It might be easy for those not in her shoes to just say "avoid social medial" as a way to deal with the intense reactivity of Caitlin's and now Sophie's, but she has friends, colleagues, and family who I imagine read plenty of it. There is not a way to truly get away from it other than being is in some isolation chamber. Indeed, we even see it here from people who don't who rarely watch the W. She has stayed at Indiana with Caitlin without complaint in honoring her contract, so now that she has a choice and states that she would prefer to play on the backside of her career at a place that is not the center of a maelstrom of controversy, good for her. We don't have many people like her in public life modeling healthy decisions along with hard work.
 
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LV renaissance said:
Kelsey Mitchell is a free agent and has been loyal to Indiana throughout her career. Who can blame her for looking at her options including considering the pros and cons of staying at Indiana. It might be easy for those not in her shoes to just say "avoid social medial" as a way to deal with the intense reactivity of Caitlin's and now Sophie's, but she has friends, colleagues, and family who I imagine read plenty of it. There is not a way to truly get away from it other than being is in some isolation chamber. Indeed, we even see it here from people who don't who rarely watch the W. She has stayed at Indiana with Caitlin without complaint in honoring her contract, so now that she has a choice and states that she would prefer to play on the backside of her career at a place that is not the center of a maelstrom of controversy, good for her. We don't have many people like her in public life modeling healthy decisions along with hard work.
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Agreed.

If I were a player shopping for a franchise to join, I’d probably be attracted to the Valkyries.
 
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LV renaissance said:
There is not a way to truly get away from it other than being is in some isolation chamber.
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Of course there is. Aja Wilson, the planet's best player, just did it. She said it was extremely hard but also an extremely good life choice. Said it made her real life relationships much richer.

I get that for younger people social media seems inevitable and inescapable. But it's really truly not. It's just a strongly psychologically addictive habit, like smoking or over eating. Like any of those habits once they become harmful you just have to stop. Because they are not mandatory, they are voluntary.

Even if they can't break away completely, why wouldn't you simply make your social media private?
 
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glv98 said:
Of course there is. Aja Wilson, the planet's best player, just did it. She said it was extremely hard but also an extremely good life choice. Said it made her real life relationships much richer.

I get that for younger people social media seems inevitable and inescapable. But it's really truly not. It's just a strongly psychologically addictive habit, like smoking or over eating. Like any of those habits once they become harmful you just have to stop. Because they are not mandatory, they are voluntary.

Even if they can't break away completely, why wouldn't you simply make your social media private?
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Even A'ja in an interview said "but I see it all 😉" about the stuff said on social media. Trying to find the clip
 
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#3,922
Social media is a double edged sword in today's landscape. The money comes from companies wanting exposure. Often exposure is expected on social media, video clips, etc. But I agree, putting it away would be beneficial to these athletes as well as my high school students in their day to day lives.

Portland, Washington, and the Sun all currently have (reportedly) over $1 million in cap space right now. It will be interesting to see if they can lure anyone there. I'd love for Portland to land someone special, like Kelsey Mitchell. The Sparks will have Nneka's $950K back to work with too.

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