Will TN be able to recruit

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Like we did in the 90’s or are those days gone? I think Butch and Pruitt were able to have top 5-10 classes (although Pruitt not legally). Can our history, tradition and resources still command top 5 classes or does our current landscape make this impossible? Is Nashville growth really going to help us that much? Georgia has pretty much cut us off due to UGA’s success. How about North/South Carolina? What is the realistic outlook for UT’s recruiting? Everyone keeps saying that CJH needs better players but to what extent is that possible?
 
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I’m very concerned about if Heupel can recruit well enough here certainly he stepped into a bad situation so this recruiting season probaly shouldn’t be counted against him. Every Tennessee coach in the last 50 years regardless if they were a great coach or bad one has been able to recruit good to excellent here even Dooley and Butch.
 
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I’m very concerned about it Heupel can recruit well enough here. Every Tennessee coach in the last 50 years regardless if they were a great coach or bad one has been able to recruit good to excellent here even Dooley and Butch.

Name one TN HC in the last 50 years that has walked into the situation Heupel has.
 
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I don't think we need to anymore. The transfer portal is an equalizer if you use it right. Right now, there are 2,000+ players in the transfer portal. If you can identify talent that fits, you can flip the roster with experienced players in just one year. Sure, we all want to see Tennessee recruiting in the top 10 every year, but the reality of it is, the game has changed.
 
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Name one TN HC in the last 50 years that has walked into the situation Heupel has.

This. Period. We can’t cheat right now- and there was a nothing we can do until NCAA is finished.
The sooner people accept this, the more content in life they will be.
It sucks as a fan, you want to have competitive teams- but that’s not going to happen for a good while.
 
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I’m very concerned about it Heupel can recruit well enough here. Every Tennessee coach in the last 50 years regardless if they were a great coach or bad one has been able to recruit good to excellent here even Dooley and Butch.

The question is Why? Why have even the bad coaches been able to recruit well? That must mean there is still something appealing about UT. Whatever that is, do we still have it? It can’t be winning as it’s been almost 15 years since we’ve been real good. If it’s not the coach and it’s not winning, then it must be that UT still has a strong ‘brand’. I guess that’s what I’m trying to ask. Do we still have that brand name (history, tradition, big stadium, appeal) or is it slipping away?
 
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Name one TN HC in the last 50 years that has walked into the situation Heupel has.

This is trueish but...
Dooley walked in after a class decimated with Kiffin defactors (I think only 2 of the original class ended their careers with UT)
Butch walked in after a class in which Dooley took no OL in an entire year

Not arguing that Heupel has it the hardest, but it shouldn't be a total excuse if he fails to recruit
 
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The question is Why? Why have even the bad coaches been able to recruit well? That must mean there is still something appealing about UT. Whatever that is, do we still have it? It can’t be winning as it’s been almost 15 years since we’ve been real good. If it’s not the coach and it’s not winning, then it must be that UT still has a strong ‘brand’. I guess that’s what I’m trying to ask. Do we still have that brand name (history, tradition, big stadium, appeal) or is it slipping away?
14 years since we last won 10 games and the SEC division title and 23 years since we last won the SEC. So to the young recruits born in 2003 or 2004 they have seen Tennessee be up and down and largely struggle to to even make it to minor bowl games. But I do think the brand is still strong the tradition is strong and this fanbase is rabid and hungry to win so I still think Tennessee is still attractive to recruits. We gotta keep these kids in state though we have let too many get away. Tennessee is producing better and more talent now so we can’t let these kids get away. Butch sold fools gold we all saw that and Dooley and Pruitt rubbed alot of high school coaches in the state the wrong way they didn’t build good relationships so how will Heupel do ? what will his approach be? We just don’t know yet he is gonna have to hit the transfer portal hard this off season to make up some ground we need immediate help on the Dline and Oline we lose alot of people this year. I do think Heupels offense is attractive to skill players and recruits and going to a bowl game in year one certainly won’t hurt.
 
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I’m very concerned about if Heupel can recruit well enough here certainly he stepped into a bad situation so this recruiting season probaly shouldn’t be counted against him. Every Tennessee coach in the last 50 years regardless if they were a great coach or bad one has been able to recruit good to excellent here even Dooley and Butch.
Look at the guys that are starting now that weren't here last year. Hooker, Tillman, Evans (hurt but still good) and more. He has already lured some talent here. And he's got a pretty good body of work to sell. "If you are good, we need you, you can start right away, you don't have to wait". As post #2 in this thread said, step up the NIL. This is the first recruiting season that it's impact will be felt, and it's a game changer for sure.
 
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I think those days are gone UNLESS Heupel starts getting recognized as the best offensive coach in the SEC and proves that his system will work. We aren’t going to recruit at that level until AFTER we start competing for championships again, IMO
 
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Good to see our 30 mil upgrade. I believe we finally have a Coach who's on the same page as the Admin. I wouldn't look for even a top 25 this year but I see us getting immediate help thru the portal. We need to hit the High Schools hard in-state. Give these Coaches time to start building relationships with our HS coaches in-state and make Tenn. a priority. There's some elite players
for the next few years in Tenn. Hype seems to have the personality to recruit as you can see it by the way the current players have bought in.
 
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Not unless they start hiring recruiters. If you weren't able to recruit in the past, then you aren't going to be able to magically recruit now. Cue the "well Heupel inherited blah blah blah".
 
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Like we did in the 90’s or are those days gone? I think Butch and Pruitt were able to have top 5-10 classes (although Pruitt not legally). Can our history, tradition and resources still command top 5 classes or does our current landscape make this impossible? Is Nashville growth really going to help us that much? Georgia has pretty much cut us off due to UGA’s success. How about North/South Carolina? What is the realistic outlook for UT’s recruiting? Everyone keeps saying that CJH needs better players but to what extent is that possible?

It is one thing to recruit, and win the star search. It is another to develop. Yeah Butch recruited well, in his first class, but the talent that came from those classes took a slight downward trajectory with each year. And Hell, he ran off about half of his own recruits. As we later learned fully, some in really crappy ways. Pruitt? Well his development and game day results was pretty much akin to Jones. And both took 4 and 5 stars and tuned them into 2 and 3 stars.

Heupel is taking what he has got, added to the pool out of neccessity from the transfer portal, and what freshmen he has brought in, some may have yet to crack into the rotation.

History tradition and resources might bring a few in. But more importantly, what HS recruits are seeing should eventually translate in attracting higher level talent. Heupel is taking what he has and getting the best out of them. This team is really starting to make strong statements.

Time will tell, but ask yourself this. If you were a recruit, would you want to play for Heupel? I'm 61 and too banged up to grasp it. But you would are a little less cynical and used up should consider that question. Just comparing this staff's first year to Pruitt's Jones', Dooley or Kiffin's first year? I feel Heupel is more the real deal than those other four put together.
 
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We can't recruit now. The top ten athletes in the state of TN are all going elsewhere.

Nothing to change that this year. Expect more of seasons like this for the foreseeable future.
 
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I’m very concerned about if Heupel can recruit well enough here certainly he stepped into a bad situation so this recruiting season probaly shouldn’t be counted against him. Every Tennessee coach in the last 50 years regardless if they were a great coach or bad one has been able to recruit good to excellent here even Dooley and Butch.

Dooley definitely did not recruit "excellent". Dude barely recruited his last 18 months, which is why we were in such terrible shape when Butch took over. And his first class was mostly Kiffin's recruits. Dooley is easily the worst recruiter in UT history.
 
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Dooley definitely did not recruit "excellent". Dude barely recruited his last 18 months, which is why we were in such terrible shape when Butch took over. And his first class was mostly Kiffin's recruits. Dooley is easily the worst recruiter in UT history.

Well Hell. How many players wanted to play for a stand up comedian? The only people who miss Dools are Jimmy Hyams and a few other journalists. They thought his press conferences were fun. But that is about all that guy accomplished.
 
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It is one thing to recruit, and win the star search. It is another to develop. Yeah Butch recruited well, in his first class, but the talent that came from those classes took a slight downward trajectory with each year. And Hell, he ran off about half of his own recruits. As we later learned fully, some in really crappy ways. Pruitt? Well his development and game day results was pretty much akin to Jones. And both took 4 and 5 stars and tuned them into 2 and 3 stars.

Heupel is taking what he has got, added to the pool out of neccessity from the transfer portal, and what freshmen he has brought in, some may have yet to crack into the rotation.

History tradition and resources might bring a few in. But more importantly, what HS recruits are seeing should eventually translate in attracting higher level talent. Heupel is taking what he has and getting the best out of them. This team is really starting to make strong statements.

Time will tell, but ask yourself this. If you were a recruit, would you want to play for Heupel? I'm 61 and too banged up to grasp it. But you would are a little less cynical and used up should consider that question. Just comparing this staff's first year to Pruitt's Jones', Dooley or Kiffin's first year? I feel Heupel is more the real deal than those other four put together.

He's definitely coaching them up but eventually he'll have to build the recruiting base. This class is pretty blah but the product he's putting on the field is showing his potential. I hate to be overly optimistic because we've been burned for 20 years but everyone has to be feeling the buzz he's developing around the program.
 
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We can't recruit now. The top ten athletes in the state of TN are all going elsewhere.

Nothing to change that this year. Expect more of seasons like this for the foreseeable future.
Well then the question is will the fanbase accept being a perineal 7-5 to 8-4 type team
 
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