will moneyball work in the NCAA

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Can the Moneyball system be used in college football recruiting? Could you take a team of 2 and 3 star players that have great chemistry and compete with teams that's built off of high stared profiled players?
 
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orangepeopleeater said:
Can the Moneyball system be used in college football recruiting? Could you take a team of 2 and 3 star players that have great chemistry and compete with teams that's built off of high stared profiled players?
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Franklin has done a pretty good job of this at Vandy the last couple of years. But a team full of 2 and 3 stars ain't gonna come close to winning the SEC against far superior talent.
 
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The idea behind Sabermetrics is that baseball is an individual sport disguised as a team sport and that you can evaluate the value of a particular player with numbers. It doesn't really work for football.
 
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State of the Vols said:
Franklin has done a pretty good job of this at Vandy the last couple of years. But a team full of 2 and 3 stars ain't gonna come close to winning the SEC against far superior talent.
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He has competed but really hasnt beaten any teams that get the 4 and 5 stars. His first year he didnt beat anybody they werent favored over. Last year he had nice wins against ole miss and nc state, but we had a nice win against nc state too. If we can get back on track then vandy probably finishes 6-6 next year, 7-5 if we lay another egg.
 
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HottyToddyVol said:
The idea behind Sabermetrics is that baseball is an individual sport disguised as a team sport and that you can evaluate the value of a particular player with numbers. It doesn't really work for football.
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Boise state has done pretty well with lesser talent. So i would have to say it does work in football. To make it work in the SEC you would need a coach that can build a system around the strengths of the players and not what dooley did, try to force the players into your system.
Honestly if CBJ us gonna have any success his first couple if years he will basically have to play "moneyball"because we certainly aren't gonna out talent any team in the SEC.
 
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crparker21 said:
He has competed but really hasnt beaten any teams that get the 4 and 5 stars. His first year he didnt beat anybody they werent favored over. Last year he had nice wins against ole miss and nc state, but we had a nice win against nc state too. If we can get back on track then vandy probably finishes 6-6 next year, 7-5 if we lay another egg.
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You are missing the entire point of my post. The OP asked if anyone could win in the SEC with the right combination of all 2- and 3-star players. In my opinion, Franklin has done about as good as he could with that combination. Has nothing whatsoever to do with UT. Now that you mention it, though, UT has shown, over the last couple of years, how the wrong coaching combination can take a team chock full of 4-stars and pretty much suck. :peace2:
 
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orangepeopleeater said:
Can the Moneyball system be used in college football recruiting? Could you take a team of 2 and 3 star players that have great chemistry and compete with teams that's built off of high stared profiled players?
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This "Moneyball" system you are referring to does not simply mean having 2 and 3 star players that have great chemistry. If you're referring the the movie, there is a specific and complicated mathematical equation that projects players based on certain criteria in baseball that some believe to be more efficient than simply paying more for talent....


Even IF this equation existed in college football (which it does not yet), it would not work in an SEC environment b/c of the demand to "win now." This process would take time to put into place at a school and take patience, which we all know runs in short supply in today's "instant gratification" world we all live in.


The argument that Franklin is doing this at Vandy is laughable b/c that job has no pressure that ANY other SEC school has. He also is doing a very good job recruiting, getting top level talent into that program that they have never had before at Vandy. Franklin is a salesman, nothing more and nothing less. He's a very good salesman and motivates his kids well too.
 
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Considering that "Moneyball" didn't even ever win anything in baseball, I don't know why anyone would expect it would win in football.
 
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JFBanicki said:
Boise state has done pretty well with lesser talent. So i would have to say it does work in football.
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Boise State only has to play 1-2 "real" games each year. The challenge of the SEC is that you play a top team almost every week; and have stretched where you play LSU/Alabama/Florida etc. in succession.

You put Boise State in the SEC and they lose 4+ games every season. The "grind" of the SEC schedule is what makes it difficult to win 10+ games.
 
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Moneyball is about taking advantage of market inefficiencies that can be measured so you can buy wins. As noted by other posters, it's nearly impossible to measure football in numbers.

Further, if UT were to parallel anyone in the book, we'd be more like the current Dodgers. We spend tons of money on recruiting and it's not yielding an adequate return.
 
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HottyToddyVol said:
The idea behind Sabermetrics is that baseball is an individual sport disguised as a team sport and that you can evaluate the value of a particular player with numbers. It doesn't really work for football.
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"Oooh I actually read the book and didn't just watch the movie"

This guy
 
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In the SEC, if you're able to do that, you won't have to worry about it but for one or 2 years. If you're able to coach up guys to compete in the SEC, you're going to turn heads of recruits, HS Coaches, and parents, and eventually, you'll be turning guys away.

Long story short, if Butch plays Moneyball this season, it will be the only season, because the recruiting class next year will be unbearably good.
 
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