Wilbon says SEC overated

#51
#51
Lexvol said:
Hard to argue with that logic J. If the Big 12 did not have a championship game it would leave room for disagreement.
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I wouldn't consider them unless they won a Big XII championship against Oklahoma. Don't they have to play Mizzu, too?
 
#52
#52
Jasongivm6 said:
If KU runs the table, I will call them an elite team this year, and they should go.
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If they run the table, I will be very very surprised. But, if they do, then fine.. they should go. At this point, I'm kind of surprised they're even ranked BCS #3
 
#56
#56
agreed on KS. beat Mizzou and OK.......that's enough for me.

but a funny thing about KS and their schedule. a lot is being made of how they've played no one up until the past couple of weeks and over the next couple of weeks.

and it's not that i disagree with that.

but.....here's the funny thing......think about all the teams that had KS on their schedule, now or in the past.

having KS on your schedule was reason enough to have the same thing said about YOUR schedule.
and im sure that no one that had KS on their schedule before the season started looked at them any differently. my how times, and roles, have changed.
 
#58
#58
lacrossepro70 said:
If we played Cal right now I seriously doubt we would lose. If you haven't noticed our defense has improved just a bit.
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OWH posted an excerpt from an article yesterday about this, and it was very interesting......it broke down the def for the season against spread offensive sets vs. traditional pro style sets.

obviously, the differenc was fairly staggering......we are much better against the traditional sets, against any team, and struggle mightily against spread sets, by any team.

point being, we haven't figured out the spread yet...and not just against FL or Cal....USM, ULL, etc...also had great success out of the spread against us..so i'm not willing to rehash the Cal game at this point.....and say we would or wouldn't do this or that against them now.
 
#59
#59
I agree Kansas while I give them credit for being undefeated hasn't beat one team currently ranked in the top 25.
 
#61
#61
So, if LSU wins out, does Oregon or OU get in? Will OU jump Oregon because they will have beaten a top 5 team at the end of the year? Even if Oregon cruises? It would be a "dream" for OU fans if LSU loses in the SECCG and OU gets to play Oregon.
 
#62
#62
Jasongivm6 said:
So, if LSU wins out, does Oregon or OU get in? Will OU jump Oregon because they will have beaten a top 5 team at the end of the year? Even if Oregon cruises? It would be a "dream" for OU fans if LSU loses in the SECCG and OU gets to play Oregon.
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i think OU has more to gain by playing either a top 5 ranked KS or Mizzou in the big 12 title game than Ore does with their remaining schedule.

the loss to Cal has gotten worse as the season has gone along and the win over USC doesn't have the cache you'd normally think it would.

OU has already beaten Mizzou once, and they are currently in the top 5. the winner of the KS/Mizzou game is going to be top 3-5 when they paly in the title game.......i think Ore may have it's work cut out for them.

their best wins are over ASU and USC, which aren't slouches mind you, but i dont' know if it's enough, especailly if OU dismantles either one of them in the title game.

but it can be argued either way....it's very close imo. Perception at the beginning was that the Pac 10 was very strong, and it still is, but the big 12 has done a lot for itself this year with the North finally having a couple of factors in the conf. and is now percieved as maybe being AT LEAST as strong at the top as the Pac 10.
 
#64
#64
TennesseeT said:
In my opinion there is not a team in America that would make it throught an SEC schedule unscathed. However, we will learn a lot more about the strength of conferences after the conclusion of Bowl Season.
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Agreed. Let's play it out. I think the SEC will prevail.
:salute:
 
#67
#67
sMi.Spite said:
The problem with this system is that it has alot of illegitimate rankings in them.

For example, one of the rankings that they factor in is "ucs rankings," which is a ranking composed by a random fan. On the cfb board that I post at (D1A College Football - Home), he is ridiculed all the time because he is pretty much a moron.

He made it in 2004. Look, it isn't really a real website, he just bought the domain and put his ramblings on there:
http://www.ucsrankings.com/
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I wasn't trying to suggest all the rankings included on this site are "legitimate". It's true there are some strange ranking systems included on the website. The one you mention is one. Another is the system that does nothing more than try to minimize the "ranking violations"; i.e., the goal of the system is to minimize the number of instances in which teams are ranked below teams they have beaten.

But there are many well-known, respected systems included on this site, including, I believe, the D1A system you referred to, and almost all of these legitimate systems who rank the conferences rate the SEC the number one conference.
 
#68
#68
hatvol96 said:
If a Tennessee team that was beaten soundly by a mediocre Cal team wins the SEC, that's per se evidence the conference is overrated this year.
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It could be per se evidence that on any given Saturday a team can lose, especially vastly inexperienced teams playing three time zones away. And, it could also be per se evidence that the same team that got beat down by Cal is not the same team UT puts on the field at this point in the season. I am certainly not ducking the fact that Cal handily beat UT. But to point to a single game, the first of the season, and use it to compare conferences is evidence, but not very concrete evidence. I think the SEC is down in terms of not having the type of dominant teams they have had recently. But the middle pack in the SEC is much better than they have been in those recent years. And, top to bottom, I think the SEC is still the strongest conference.
 
#69
#69
did I see the word 'unscaved' in this thread?

My bad. Man I sure thought it was unscaved. But I saw where someone else said unscathed. Huh, who knew!:)
 
#72
#72
hatvol96 said:
If a Tennessee team that was beaten soundly by a mediocre Cal team wins the SEC, that's per se evidence the conference is overrated this year.
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Us winning the SEC would not look as bad as the Big 10 would look if Michigan won.
 
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