Why Offense Is the Problem --- Not Defense

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There's been a lot of discussion on the board on whether offense or defense has been our biggest problem. Obviously, defense was weak in our last game against Vanderbilt, and we struggled on D against Missouri the week before. Nevertheless, when you look at the "big picture", in spite of some rosy statistics, offense was a much bigger problem.

Here's why.

The Common Case for Offense. The common case for why our offense was "good" this year is that we put up 437 yards per game and scored 36.3 points per game (2nd in the SEC). This is misleading, however. For starters, 437 yards pg is only good for 8th in the SEC (bottom half). Nevertheless, the numbers are really much worse once you start looking at other factors.

Defenses With a Pulse. We tended to fare particularly poorly against defenses with a pulse. South Carolina held us to 297 yards. We put up 163 yards versus Bama. We only put up 319 yards on App State (in OT) and 330 yards versus a Virginia Tech team that repeatedly gave our offense the ball. Most of our gaudy yardage numbers came against weak defenses. We put up 609 yards on Mizzou, 600 yards on Kentucky, 684 yards on Texas A&M, and 471 against Tenn Tech. About the only "good" defenses we did well against were Florida (in the 2nd Half) and Vanderbilt (in the 1st Half). To me, this is troubling, because I don't think you can win an SEC Championship when you can only rack up numbers against weak defenses. This is like all those Mike Leach coached teams that put up 700 yards against bottom- and mid-tier teams, but then suddenly get clobbered by top-tier defenses.

Turnovers. We were one of the worst teams in the entire NCAA at protecting the ball. We had 25 turnovers on the season. That ranks us as the 117th worst out of 128 teams (and 13th out of 14 in the SEC). Other teams in our company: Kansas, UMass, Kentucky, Purdue, Indiana, Hawaii, Bowling Green. What's even more depressing is that this is probably higher than we should be ranked, because we had a very large number of fumbles that were recovered on offense. Without all of those recoveries, we would likely be in the bottom 5 of the entire NCAA in turnovers lost.

The Turnovers Impact Defense. Not only have the turnovers hurt our offense, but they make our defensive stats look worse than they really are. Consider that if the defense gives up 30 yards and 3.5 points on average for every turnover, that's about 63 yards per game and 7.28 points. Our defense ranked 11th (out of 14) in yards allowed in the SEC and 9th in points given up. However, you start adjusting for the turnovers and you can quickly see how with a less turnover prone offense, our D would've probably been closer to 5th or 6th best in points allowed and probably closer to 8th in yards given up. This isn't even accounting for the fact that turnovers tend to make the defense more exhausted in general, and likely lead to even more yards and scores given up later in the game. It's really all cumulative and our turnover-prone offense has forced our defense to be out on the field much more than they should be.

Penalties. We had the most penalized team in the SEC, with 74 penalties for 670 yards. This is particularly disturbing because two years ago when Coach Bajakian was OC, we were the LEAST PENALIZED team in the SEC. To me, this is the BIGGEST indictment of Mike DeBord. This team is not disciplined and the mistakes seem to be traceable to when DeBord took over as OC.

Our Offense is the Equivalent Of ... Our offense reminds me of a basketball player who scores 40 points in a game, but does it on 50 shots. Many people see the "40 points" and immediately think "that guy is good!", but they ignore the fact that he put up all those points with low-quality shots. Our offense is similar. Yeah, it's putting up a lot of points, but it's constantly giving points to the other team, as well, which makes it much less impressive.

Turnovers on Defense. While our defensive yardage stats don't look great, we actually had one of the best defenses in the nation at creating turnovers. We were ranked 20th (out of 128) with 23 turnovers created by defense. That's 4th best in the SEC.

Injuries. Injuries were huge for our defense, but not so much for our offense. Look at our defensive depth chart at the start of the season. Major injuries and losses include several key starters: Jalen Reeves-Maybin (LB), Darrin Kirkland Jr (LB), Cam Sutton (CB), Todd Kelly Jr (S). We lost a starting DT (Danny O'Brien) for disciplinary reasons. We lost critical backups in Shy Tuttle (DT), Kahlil McKenzie (DT), Quarte Sapp (LB). I'm missing a lot of people, too. Comparatively speaking, we didn't lose a ton of talent on offense this season. We lost a few Offensive Linemen, such as Jack Jones and Coleman Thomas. However, we never lost major skill players outside of Jalen Hurd and losing Hurd seemed to actually improve the offense.

Overall. When you really start digging into things, the defense's performance is actually better than people realize. When you add in the injuries, it's pretty amazing that we managed to hold together as long as we did. This isn't to say there aren't some major issues on defense, but Bob Shoop had one of the most difficult jobs in college football this year trying to keep that defense patched together in spite of an avalanche of injuries. Meanwhile, the offense's performance is actually much worse. Being 8th in yards and 2nd in scoring looks nice on paper, but in reality, it's not nearly as good when you're constantly giving the other team easy scoring opportunities. In the stats, this makes the defense look "bad" even when it's not the D's fault that the offense can't hold onto the ball.

DeBord Needs to Go. This is why I'm 100% convinced that DeBord needs to go. He's not been completely terrible in every way, but over the past two years, we've gotten worse on "all the little things." We are now the most penalized team in the SEC, rather than the least penalized. We are now the most turnover prone team in the SEC. We constantly have dropped passes and other mistakes as well. The evidence to me suggests that "the system works" but the execution is poor, and that execution is primarily the job of DeBord. Perhaps Mike DeBord can't prevent every dropped pass, but when turnovers, penalties, and dropped passes become endemic, you have to look at how the OC is preparing (or not preparing) the players.

Keep Shoop. Shoop has a great track record as DC. I'm willing to give him a bit of a pass for the train wreck at the end of the season given all the injuries and the strain the offense's mistakes have put on the defense.
 
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Interesting read.

I tend to look at the turnovers. Up until the aTm game if anyone expressed concern over the number of fumbles the Vols had they were simply told to STFU and go root for another team because UT won the game. Well, those things tend to even out. Whereas UT was fortunate to not lose many of those fumbles early on, they certainly did down the stretch.
 
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The only problem with statistics is that it doesn't tell the whole story all the time.

We are the 2nd highest scoring team in the SEC with the 13th lowest yards. Turnovers, 4th down stops, punt returns, and kick off returns directly impact how many yards are required to score. So the yards can be low, while the points are high.
 
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There is no excuse for not being able to stop basic plays regardless of field position, scoring nearly 40 points on Vandy should have been more than enough to win. There is no justifying the lack of basic fundamentals on defense, as much as this board wants to blame DeBord, the offense is not the problem by any stretch of the imagination.
 
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The offense has struggled against good defenses, and when dobbs doesn't take the game over with his legs. Our 3 yard pass plays piss me off. I'd like to see us spread the field and open the offense up to keep the defenses on their heels.

On defense, I understand we have had a ton of injuries, but to be so completely out of position on every play is more than just having backups in. Poor angles and poor tackling are basics. Our ends are constantly losing containment on the edges. Linebacker play has been beyond pitiful.

Probably not a popular opinion and yes its easy to be an armchair coordinator, but I'd have Byrd starting corner and Jennings starting at safety.
 
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You've gotta be kidding, right? You're trying wayyyy too hard here.
 
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UT is 2nd in points per game and 8th in total yards per game; 6th in total offense and 49th in the nation. UT is 110th in total defense in the nation; 12th in total defense in the SEC and 112th in the nation in rushing defense. You can spin that any way you like.
 
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Our OFFENSE did NOT make the last 3 QB's we faced look like Manning, Brady and Drew Brees!! :banghead2:

Nor did the O give up Eleventy Million Yards to the worst Offensive Teams in the SEC!! :realmad:

Just saying!



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OP. I cant say there's definite connection here but, the games we put up insane offensive yards was games without Jalen Hurd. I mentioned early in the season that it always seemed like for whatever reason Debord (and/or Jones) felt like riding Hurd, was not only the safe thing to do, but also fit with his (Debord) basic mentality of football. 3 yards and a dust storm. When he lost that he had no choice but, to make the changes and open things up. Either way Kamara and Kelly have that extra vision, cut, effort, etc. to get the step needed to get through for bigger gains. The offense changed with Hurd not in the game. I have nothing against Hurd's athletic skills and think he's an athletic freak who will still do big things but, this whole year he was just the wrong player, with the wrong skills, in the wrong offensive, and the wrong attitude. (Old news).
In the end, Debord and Jones should have realized this early, early on but, didn't or chose not to acknowledge it. They knew Kamara's remaining time here would be this season, he could have immensely helped the team earlier and needed to showcase his skills to boot but, still didn't integrate him into the game plan. And I not even getting into John Kelly's potential.
If Hurd had stayed on the team, they would have kept trying to pound the ball and we would have likely lost more than SC and Vandy. If the defense had been better would we have won more games? This seems like a stupid question but, we scored enough points to win SC, Vandy, and A&M; we just could score enough to outpace the points given up on defense?
My two cents, that aren't worth much.

I guess you can see I support your assessment that Debord needs to go. Stubbornness, Inept, Jones, not sure where the facts really lay.
 
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The offense hasn't helped anything but the defense has given up tons of long drives. Daniel has done a great job pinning opposing offenses deep but it all goes to waste when the D can't get a stop. It really looks like we're playing 11 on 8 sometimes. Our linebackers just seem to disappear. And many of the guys either think they are faster than they actually are or the ball carrier is slower than he actually is. So many bad angles taken on tackling that leave the defender unable to make a stop.
 
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You are correct to a point however I compare it to a patient with a long term illness who has a heart attack. You have to treat the symptoms of the heart attack first. The defense is a heart attack right now....if something isn't done right away to correct that side of the ball, expect to lose to more bad-average teams like Vandy.
 
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Another stat to consider is the number of punts. I believe we are dead last or close to last in punts per game...it's a good indicator of our inability to sustain drives. I'm old school - if you keep making first downs, good things happen.
 
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Yes, hard to overlook the defense's performance down the stretch, but Ghost is very close to where the primary problem lies, IMO. Look at it from a 2 to 3 year perspective..... he is hitting home.
 
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Agree on Deboard. We only scored as much as we did because of Dobbs legs at times. In other words we don't complete the simple 3rd and 3 plays enough without Dobbs running.

Either dropped passes or bad route or bad throws. I don't see how Butch can keep him and survive. I don't know if Butch survives at all, but keeping Deboard means he just wants a buyout.

Not sure where I stand on Shoop. I think losing all your DT's and all your starting LB's makes it an issue. I also think last 4 games people were out of position and took bad angles and that isn't just being short on bodies.

If Butch stays here is what I want to see:

Deboard replaced with a true OC not Azzani....but an actual true OC that can develop QBs or a good OC and real QB coach.

Complete overhaul on S&C program with proven S&C coach. Injuries were just too much to be a fluke.

Not sure where I stand on Martinez or Azzani. would be nice if both left although I think Azzani is a good recruiter.

We have to compete for the east next year. Can be no drop off. These recruiting classes were big. There is talent still there.
 
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102nd in time of possession and 121st in turnovers. All sorts of problems on defense relate directly to the offense, including injuries.
 
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Another stat to consider is the number of punts. I believe we are dead last or close to last in punts per game...it's a good indicator of our inability to sustain drives. I'm old school - if you keep making first downs, good things happen.

No.....we're "5th worse" in the SEC, averaging 5.3 per game. The best team in the # of punts per game was 8-4 Auburn which averaged 3.6 punts per game. They also had a worse offense than us.....they averaged fewer yards per play and 4 fewer points per game.

Other teams that punted fewer times per game than us were 5-7 Ole Miss, 5-7 MissState, 7-5 Arkansas and 8-3 Florida.....and all of those teams scored fewer offensive points than we did this year.

No, we scored more than enough points this year to win 10 or more games. The overwhelming issue we had was a feckless defense that couldn't get off the field, gave up huge splash play after huge splash play and just gave up way too many 1st downs, yards and, most importantly, points.
 
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Weird, I thought the 2nd best defensive team in the nation got spanked by our offense.

Florida, Va Tech, App State and Ohio were all to 50 defenses.

The one thing I do think needed to happen offensively is Butch needed to slow things down a little on offense; especially later in the year, to limit our defensive snaps.

The offensive numbers might have looked a little better had the defense gotten ever off the field.
 
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Another stat to consider is the number of punts. I believe we are dead last or close to last in punts per game...it's a good indicator of our inability to sustain drives. I'm old school - if you keep making first downs, good things happen.

agreed. you look at # of punts and 3 and outs, and then add the turnovers.......

that doesn't help the defense. by the time the offense did get to a point they weren't shooting themselves in the foot early in games anymore, the damage had been done on the defensive side of the ball.

penalties...some of that goes on the defense. how many times did we commit a penalty on a 3rd down to allow drives to keep going?

bottom line, we were our own worst enemy at times.
 
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