Why Josh Deserves The Criticism

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VolTom1 said:
This post is to point out why those who are saying Josh deserves no criticism are wrong, and why I personally don't think Josh will achieve anything beyond the occasional play off appearance here at Tennessee. That being said this is not a call to fire Josh, that would be stupid with all of the coaching changes going on right now. Also if you are fine with mediocrity, if you are fine being average and not great, Josh is the prefect guy for you, just move along from this post, call me stupid for my concern, all of the typical BS I get instead of listening to the legitimate complaints.

1. Clock management - He has no idea what the rules are. Josh literally didn't know the clock was not stopping late into the Oklahoma game, not the first game he has mismanaged the clock. In this past game he had to have the ref explain the rules to him right at the two minute mark. This is a huge red flag, how are the players suppose to know the rules if the coaches don't know them, how can a staff this big not know the rules over half way through the season?

2. Stubbornness - He adapts slowly, refuses to play the best players if they are younger, most of the time. He also gives players and coaches more chances than they deserve. He didn't change up the offense for two years, we had two years of stagnation and he refused to change until this year. He has yet to force the D to change, we continue to play the same regardless if we are getting sacks or not, DB's continue not to turn and locate the ball even when they could etc...

3. Talent Evaluation/Development - While we have some good talent evaluators at Tennessee, Josh himself has been really bad at evaluating QB talent, at least since he has been at Tennessee. Also WR was an issue till this year it seemed, why did it take so long to fix these things? Hopefully they figured that blind spot out, remember though, If it was not for Joe Milton getting hurt Hendon Hooker would have sat on the bench, if it was not for the COVID year players we would have been in a world of hurt last year and this year to a degree.

4. Preparedness - Multiple games every year we go into not prepared, making critical mistakes and losing or almost losing to inferior teams. We win many of these games just because we have better overall talent, but those games should never be that close. TBF Other teams do this from time to time, Georgia comes to mind, But Georgia has one or two of these games a year, that they normally win, we on the other hand have about 4 and we are lucky if we win half of them.

5. Blindness - This is the biggest issue I see with Josh. Anyone who pays attention could clearly see we need more people on the DL, proven talent and depth. Anyone could see we were about to lose TONS of production from 2024, the type of production that you can't just get back without using the transfer portal. Think about it, it's very scary to think that if Nico stayed, just how bad would we be. Josh is very LUCKY, becasue for all the mistakes Joey makes, he also makes some really good plays, that I doubt Nico would make, and they fully expected Nico to be our QB this year. How can we lose so much of our production and think we are going to be ok with Nico at QB. This is what we lost from 2024, Omari Thomas, Omarr Norman-Lott, Elijah Simmons, James Pearce Jr, Jayson Jenkins, Jakobe Thomas, and Will Brooks. I can recall many plays from each one of these guys that helped us win games, critical plays that we might not win the game if they don't make them. I can't be the only one who seen this coming, our D taking huge steps back, this concerns me because as I said above, if Nico stays we are probably lose the Arkansas and Mississippi state games. We would be 1-5 in the SEC.. and Josh would probably be fired.

All of this being said I don't want Josh to be fired, I want him to make changes, but I'm losing confidence that he will do it, or do it fast enough to save his job, and our program from being bad again. If you get mad at me over that, I don't care, I've been a VFL and will always be, I just don't want a repeat of the bad years. I want Tennessee to be how I was when I was a kid, dominant, feared, winning championships, and we will never get there if Josh settles with the state of things now and makes no changes. I have hope he will, hopefully this past game will be the catalyst for change.



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Firing Josh wouldn't be stupid just because of the open coaching changes, it would be stupid even if they weren't open.
 
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Peradox1K said:
He's not though. If a player makes a mental error, how is that the coach's fault? You can only do so much to get your players disciplined and prepared, the rest is on them. The notion that it's all the coach's fault is stupid considering it's a TEAM GAME.
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the reason most are saying it is CJH's fault, including me, is that it is the SAME mental errors happening for the past 5 years. So at some point, it falls on the coach not having them prepared.
 
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That sums up our season. No team we have beaten was really a game. 50/50 we lose to Florida. 75/25 lose to Vandy. Bowl game 50/50. So we could be a 7 win team this year .
 
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zjcvols said:
Pray tell, who is the one designing those big chunk plays on offense?
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Exactly. This offense has receivers running open nearly every play, and that's after five years of the league allegedly "catching up" with Josh's system.

Does Josh have improvements that need to be made? Of course, but who aside from maybe Ohio State right now can't ask the same question pretty much every year?
 
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VolTom1 said:
This post is to point out why those who are saying Josh deserves no criticism are wrong, and why I personally don't think Josh will achieve anything beyond the occasional play off appearance here at Tennessee. That being said this is not a call to fire Josh, that would be stupid with all of the coaching changes going on right now. Also if you are fine with mediocrity, if you are fine being average and not great, Josh is the prefect guy for you, just move along from this post, call me stupid for my concern, all of the typical BS I get instead of listening to the legitimate complaints.

1. Clock management - He has no idea what the rules are. Josh literally didn't know the clock was not stopping late into the Oklahoma game, not the first game he has mismanaged the clock. In this past game he had to have the ref explain the rules to him right at the two minute mark. This is a huge red flag, how are the players suppose to know the rules if the coaches don't know them, how can a staff this big not know the rules over half way through the season?

2. Stubbornness - He adapts slowly, refuses to play the best players if they are younger, most of the time. He also gives players and coaches more chances than they deserve. He didn't change up the offense for two years, we had two years of stagnation and he refused to change until this year. He has yet to force the D to change, we continue to play the same regardless if we are getting sacks or not, DB's continue not to turn and locate the ball even when they could etc...

3. Talent Evaluation/Development - While we have some good talent evaluators at Tennessee, Josh himself has been really bad at evaluating QB talent, at least since he has been at Tennessee. Also WR was an issue till this year it seemed, why did it take so long to fix these things? Hopefully they figured that blind spot out, remember though, If it was not for Joe Milton getting hurt Hendon Hooker would have sat on the bench, if it was not for the COVID year players we would have been in a world of hurt last year and this year to a degree.

4. Preparedness - Multiple games every year we go into not prepared, making critical mistakes and losing or almost losing to inferior teams. We win many of these games just because we have better overall talent, but those games should never be that close. TBF Other teams do this from time to time, Georgia comes to mind, But Georgia has one or two of these games a year, that they normally win, we on the other hand have about 4 and we are lucky if we win half of them.

5. Blindness - This is the biggest issue I see with Josh. Anyone who pays attention could clearly see we need more people on the DL, proven talent and depth. Anyone could see we were about to lose TONS of production from 2024, the type of production that you can't just get back without using the transfer portal. Think about it, it's very scary to think that if Nico stayed, just how bad would we be. Josh is very LUCKY, becasue for all the mistakes Joey makes, he also makes some really good plays, that I doubt Nico would make, and they fully expected Nico to be our QB this year. How can we lose so much of our production and think we are going to be ok with Nico at QB. This is what we lost from 2024, Omari Thomas, Omarr Norman-Lott, Elijah Simmons, James Pearce Jr, Jayson Jenkins, Jakobe Thomas, and Will Brooks. I can recall many plays from each one of these guys that helped us win games, critical plays that we might not win the game if they don't make them. I can't be the only one who seen this coming, our D taking huge steps back, this concerns me because as I said above, if Nico stays we are probably lose the Arkansas and Mississippi state games. We would be 1-5 in the SEC.. and Josh would probably be fired.

All of this being said I don't want Josh to be fired, I want him to make changes, but I'm losing confidence that he will do it, or do it fast enough to save his job, and our program from being bad again. If you get mad at me over that, I don't care, I've been a VFL and will always be, I just don't want a repeat of the bad years. I want Tennessee to be how I was when I was a kid, dominant, feared, winning championships, and we will never get there if Josh settles with the state of things now and makes no changes. I have hope he will, hopefully this past game will be the catalyst for change.



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I am happy to read this and respond to it, if you will research the terms of the NCAA probation and can explain them in detail to where it's clear that you understand them. And then explain how these sanctions can affect recruiting and play on the field. If you can do that, I will happily have a discussion
 
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Peradox1K said:
Yeah... no. Player execution and mistakes caused our three loses and we're off our rockers for it. Not CJH's fault at all.
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It's absolutely his fault. Horrible and predictable play calling, players not developing the way they should, horrible discipline ( penalties), tackling is the worst I've seen since the early Pruitt years. Yes, some of it is on the players, but the majority is on Heupel and his average at best staff. And it's not even debatable. In saying that, of course I don't want him fired. With the current staff, we will never with a National Championship and not sure we will under CJH.

I think we probably peak at 9-3 most years, possibly make the CFP on occasion, especially if it expands. I think if CJH finally upgraded his staff on both sides of the ball, then who knows what the ceiling is. At best, the Coaching staff is top 6-7. There's definitely plenty of room for CJH to mature, learn from his stubbornness and to upgrade the staff. Will he ever do it? Who knows, only time will tell. I hope so, I'd love for me to be here 20+ years and get us back where we belong. Go Vols!
 
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1. You have to take the 10 yard penalty at the end of the 1st half to avoid the FG.
2. After JoAg's 1st throw it up Int, CJH has to know Venable is baiting him and must tell him not to make that throw anymore.

Other than that, we have a great HC with temporary player availablility and execution problems.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
It's absolutely his fault. Horrible and predictable play calling, players not developing the way they should, horrible discipline ( penalties), tackling is the worst I've seen since the early Pruitt years. Yes, some of it is on the players, but the majority is on Heupel and his average at best staff. And it's not even debatable. In saying that, of course I don't want him fired. With the current staff, we will never with a National Championship and not sure we will under CJH.

I think we probably peak at 9-3 most years, possibly make the CFP on occasion, especially if it expands. I think if CJH finally upgraded his staff on both sides of the ball, then who knows what the ceiling is. At best, the Coaching staff is top 6-7. There's definitely plenty of room for CJH to mature, learn from his stubbornness and to upgrade the staff. Will he ever do it? Who knows, only time will tell. I hope so, I'd love for me to be here 20+ years and get us back where we belong. Go Vols!
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9-3 = 10-3 80% of the time. We're better than 90% of ACC and B10 teams year in and year out.

10-win HCs in the SEC don't grow on trees.
 
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This post reminds me of Ole Jimmy at the liars table. Hear the same **** coming out of his mouth at breakfast for the last 10 years. He’s 5 ‘8 310 and puts sugar in his coffee. He loves to tell the story back when his HS team tied Red Boiling Springs.
 
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Josh Heupel is a great coach, I would rank him among the top 4-5 in the SEC and top 10-12 or so in the country. That being said, this season was lost before it started due to Roster Mismanagement this offseason. We prefer to recruit high school kids and develop them opposed to flipping our entire roster every year via NIL like FSU, Miami, Ole Miss... I get it. Also - McCoy blowing out his ACL at home and the Nico drama were out of his control...

However, a blind man could see that we needed help at Safety and LB going into this season! Additionally, when is the last time we landed a highly ranked RB?

This year was lost in this Spring, however I am optimistic about 2026. Hopefully we can keep the gang together on Offsense and let GMAC and Faison battle it out. On Defense, we need to add a few DL's and a bunch of DB's..
 
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Flipdaddy said:
Lack of clock management comes from him calling plays. It’s hard to focus on overall live game strategy when his mind is on what can get us to the next possession.
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Then hire someone to help. That's what Kirby does.

Heupel is resistant to change and doesn't want to release any control.

Oh and he hires his OK friends. If he loses to Vandy, I hope his butt is on fire.
 
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OH-Vol said:
Josh Heupel is a great coach, I would rank him among the top 4-5 in the SEC and top 10-12 or so in the country. That being said, this season was lost before it started due to Roster Mismanagement this offseason. We prefer to recruit high school kids and develop them opposed to flipping our entire roster every year via NIL like FSU, Miami, Ole Miss... I get it. Also - McCoy blowing out his ACL at home and the Nico drama were out of his control...

However, a blind man could see that we needed help at Safety and LB going into this season! Additionally, when is the last time we landed a highly ranked RB?

This year was lost in this Spring, however I am optimistic about 2026. Hopefully we can keep the gang together on Offsense and let GMAC and Faison battle it out. On Defense, we need to add a few DL's and a bunch of DB's..
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What makes you think they're gonna get a few DLs or DBs??
 
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CAVPUT said:
Heupel is making his life way too hard and needlessly. He needs to evolve as a HEAD coach and hire quality coordinators and assistants not his friends. The best CEO/managers hire talented folks then delegate. Turn them loose to do the jobs they were hired to do while the CEO directs the overall company. Maybe it's insecurity that keeps Heupel from bringing in top notch coaching talent the way Saban did? Dunno if he's secure enough to do something like that, but if he doesn't overcome his fears soon, he's going to let this job slip right through his fingers. And that would be sad. Like the guy regardless of his appearance. Seems like a really good fella. Hope it doesn't come to that.
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100%. Which means he's going to have to fire his friends if he's to hire talented people. Don't see him willing to do that. So the writing is sort of on the wall. Hope I'm wrong.

Also the CEO comparison is a great one. Being married to a CEO of company with 100 employees, you are totally right. A good CEO knows he needs help and hires accordingly.
 
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