Why is TN the only SEC team not to get their playmakers on the field?

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Has anyone else noticed how many other SEC schools have their star freshman showing up big for their teams? I've noticed for several years now that TN never puts their playmakers on the field until late in their sophomore or junior years. ex. Brandon Warren, Chris Donald, Ahmad Paige, Brent Vinson, etc.
 
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what is so complicated? it seems every team we play knows exactly what we are doing. I think the problem is that Fulmer is to loyal to players and doesn't want to hurt their feelings. Saban, Myers, Miles, etc. play to win, regardless of players age. How many articles were written earlier in the season talking about Gerald Williams and Brandon Warren? They rarely get on the field.
 
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tahoetitan said:
what is so complicated? it seems every team we play knows exactly what we are doing. I think the problem is that Fulmer is to loyal to players and doesn't want to hurt their feelings. Saban, Myers, Miles, etc. play to win, regardless of players age. How many articles were written earlier in the season talking about Gerald Williams and Brandon Warren? They rarely get on the field.
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I tend to agree with that.
 
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VeryBest said:
This could be true. Or it's the same ole "[Insert Name here] has not learned the offense/defense yet." I guess it's too complicated
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That's Fulmer talk for "we have Juniors and Seniors in place who get the job based on years here."
 
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timmy said:
That's Fulmer talk for "we have Juniors and Seniors in place who get the job based on years here."
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I'm not so sure how legitimate that criticism is. I see Stephens, Berry, Moore, Jones, Cooper, Creer, Reveiz, Warren, and Vinson, all underclassmen at "playmaker" positions, all getting playing time at meaningful times in games.
 
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cotton said:
I'm not so sure how legitimate that criticism is. I see Stephens, Berry, Moore, Jones, Cooper, Creer, Reveiz, Warren, and Vinson, all underclassmen at "playmaker" positions, all getting playing time at meaningful times in games.
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Don't try setting forth examples that refute the myth. I suppose it's the same to at least some degree everywhere, if you're losing games it's because X isn't playing. People try to use Paige as an example yet completely ignore the fact not one but TWO players in his class (Jones & Moore) are getting playing time at WR but he isn't.

Honestly the only guy on the whole team that I genuinely would like to see a little more of is Creer, and frankly he hasn't shown anything special in the opportunities he's had against the better competition.
 
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Must I remind everyone about our practice stud who took 2 yrs to finally get on the field. And even then, it was a rare occurrence. I'm speaking of Quinton Hancock by the way. Every once in a while Fulmer puts playmakers out there even if they're underclassmen, but not usually. He's too conservative and not willing to take chances.

Eric Berry could be put in the special teams package and have at least 4 PRs/KRs for TDs, but oh no Phil doesn't want him to get hurt. What about Dale Carter, Terry Fair, and Donte Stallworth? Year after year TCHFCATUTK gets more and more conservative. The game has passed him by.
 
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It does seem like we leave a lot of talent on the sidelines. I think back to players like Mark Jones, David Martin, and Eric Parker they have all had careers in the NFL but didn't seem to do too much at Tennessee.
 
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molsen81 said:
Must I remind everyone about our practice stud who took 2 yrs to finally get on the field. And even then, it was a rare occurrence. I'm speaking of Quinton Hancock by the way. Every once in a while Fulmer puts playmakers out there even if they're underclassmen, but not usually. He's too conservative and not willing to take chances.
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I must be missing something here. What has Hancock accomplished to suggest that he should have been on the field sooner?
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
I must be missing something here. What has Hancock accomplished to suggest that he should have been on the field sooner?
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He was always the buzz in the spring, but they refused to put him in games. Where have you been?
 
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cotton said:
I'm not so sure how legitimate that criticism is. I see Stephens, Berry, Moore, Jones, Cooper, Creer, Reveiz, Warren, and Vinson, all underclassmen at "playmaker" positions, all getting playing time at meaningful times in games.
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1 or 2 snaps per game is not getting your playmakers in the game.
 
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molsen81 said:
Must I remind everyone about our practice stud who took 2 yrs to finally get on the field. And even then, it was a rare occurrence. I'm speaking of Quinton Hancock by the way. Every once in a while Fulmer puts playmakers out there even if they're underclassmen, but not usually. He's too conservative and not willing to take chances.

Eric Berry could be put in the special teams package and have at least 4 PRs/KRs for TDs, but oh no Phil doesn't want him to get hurt. What about Dale Carter, Terry Fair, and Donte Stallworth? Year after year TCHFCATUTK gets more and more conservative. The game has passed him by.
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let me get this straight: you want to take out playmakers in jones, rogan, creer, and moore (who have backups) so that berry (who has no true backup and plays a huge defensive role) can do returns. what a crock.

you can criticize decisions by Fulmer, but your argument here doesn't hold water.
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I would like to see us put more of the "play makers" on special teams.

I notice that UF has a mix of offensive and defensive starters on their special teams. I watched Harvin, James, and Spikes all make special team tackles.

Meyers wants to have the fastest special teams in the US an he puts his best players our there.
 
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It is not so much a case of playmakers not getting on the field...in my opinion...as it is their not getting the ball in their hands.
 
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jwells said:
let me get this straight: you want to take out playmakers in jones, rogan, creer, and moore (who have backups) so that berry (who has no true backup and plays a huge defensive role) can do returns. what a crock.

you can criticize decisions by Fulmer, but your argument here doesn't hold water.
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At this point, yes. Did Ted Ginn have a true back up? No, but he was the best playmaker on the field that could change a game. Berry is that type of player.
 
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cotton said:
I'm not so sure how legitimate that criticism is. I see Stephens, Berry, Moore, Jones, Cooper, Creer, Reveiz, Warren, and Vinson, all underclassmen at "playmaker" positions, all getting playing time at meaningful times in games.
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Berry and Jones are the exceptions. Look at the other people you named.

Stephens-took too long to get his shot, it took Phil 3 straight losses to legitimate competition to take his head out of Crompton's lap. He only made the move in an attempt to save his job and to avoid having a 60% full stadium for Northern Illinois.

Cooper-only playing because of injury to Holbert

Moore-Just now getting more playing time because has made the 2 biggest offensive plays of the season as the 4th or 5th option at receiver.

Creer-only 15 carries all season. 7.9 per carry, 2 TDs, UT's longest run of the year, yet he is averaging 2.5 carries per game.

Reviez-not playing much other than special teams, 11 total tackles in 6 games

Warren-playing time has been steadily decreasing, has been ballyhooed as a big offensive playmaker, yet he is seen on the field less and less.

Vinson-Only started last year because of the injuries and dismissals of all the DBs ahead of him on the depth chart. There were no other serious options.
 
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