Why do we need a federal education department?

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Given the downward track record of education in the US since its inception, clearly we don’t. 50 states, 50 models to choose from. States with marginal or lacking systems would likely adopt the policies and systems of states with better results and achievement.
 
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Vol737 said:
Given the downward track record of education in the US since its inception, clearly we don’t. 50 states, 50 models to choose from. States with marginal or lacking systems would likely adopt the policies and systems of states with better results and achievement.
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NY state spends 36K year per student in grades 3-8 and gets like 53-55% in literary and numerical proficiency. And that is after standards were recently lowered.

Pathetic..money is the last of the problem.
 
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Orangeburst said:
NY state spends 36K year per student in grades 3-8 and gets like 53-55% in literary and numerical proficiency. And that is after standards were recently lowered.

Pathetic..money is the last of the problem.
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Agree. Kids should each have a voucher and the school their parents choose for them to attend should get the funds for that year. This makes competition between schools to have the best teachers and results so that demand will be high to attend each school. Free market Capitalism.

Also...teachers should be paid twice what they actually make so that more of the best and brightest will want to teach. What does it say about society that we value so little the people who are tasked with educating our children to prepare them for life? Nearly every profession makes more money than school teachers. That seems insane to me.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Agree. Kids should each have a voucher and the school their parents choose for them to attend should get the funds for that year. This makes competition between schools to have the best teachers and results so that demand will be high to attend each school. Free market Capitalism.

Also...teachers should be paid twice what they actually make so that more of the best and brightest will want to teach. What does it say about society that we value so little the people who are tasked with educating our children to prepare them for life? Nearly every profession makes more money than school teachers. That seems insane to me.
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I’m good with teachers making more if there is incentive and performance based metrics behind it. Too often lousy teachers make as much or more than the good teachers because of how long they’ve been at the job.
 
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in all this, I have heard Trump say he wants to elimnate DOE, but still grant the money to the states, no strings attached, no curriculum bull..

let the states determine where and how to spend it. and get out of the student loan business. most universities have huge endowments and can finance loans to students and would buy them into the acceptance at the school and future success.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Your ignorance is on full display. I am talking about the FEDERAL Department of Education Einstein. State and local departments I support even though many of them need an overhaul.

I will ask again, why do you love big government? I suspect a paycheck may come from them to you. Or you just haven’t had your eyes opened yet.
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The federal department of education does not set education standards, nor does it decide curriculum in the state of Tennessee.

So tell me, which "big government" DoE policy is stopping Tennessee schools from property educating Tennessee kids?

Be specific.
 
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BeardedVol said:
The federal department of education does not set education standards, nor does it decide curriculum in the state of Tennessee.

So tell me, which "big government" DoE policy is stopping Tennessee schools from property educating Tennessee kids?

Be specific.
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Good, even more reason to get rid of such a useless department.
 
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BeardedVol said:
The federal department of education does not set education standards, nor does it decide curriculum in the state of Tennessee.

So tell me, which "big government" DoE policy is stopping Tennessee schools from property educating Tennessee kids?

Be specific.
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The DOE may not "set the standard" but they influence them. If you look at standards from each state, they are worded extremely similar. This is because the DOE pushes states into having those standards. They make sure all states are using similar tests. They give huge kickbacks to Pearson, McGraw Hill, Wiley, and other businesses to write their textbooks, and tests, in a certain that are extremely frustrating to teachers and students. With the DOE gone these kickbacks and frustrations should lessen.
 
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Rishvol said:
The DOE may not "set the standard" but they influence them. If you look at standards from each state, they are worded extremely similar. This is because the DOE pushes states into having those standards. They make sure all states are using similar tests. They give huge kickbacks to Pearson, McGraw Hill, Wiley, and other businesses to write their textbooks, and tests, in a certain that are extremely frustrating to teachers and students. With the DOE gone these kickbacks and frustrations should lessen.
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So DoE influence on educational standards in Tennessee are why Tennessee schools aren't properly educating Tennessee kids?

According to the state of Tennessee, they have complete control over standards, and review them on a regular basis with input from the public and educators.

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Standards Review

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BeardedVol said:
So DoE influence on educational standards in Tennessee are why Tennessee schools aren't properly educating Tennessee kids?

According to the state of Tennessee, they have complete control over standards, and review them on a regular basis with input from the public and educators.

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Standards Review

www.tn.gov www.tn.gov
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I'm sorry you school failed you with reading comprehension (yes the DOE diesy influence standards). Though, you fall under my second statement. It's up to the individual to properly be educated
 
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Rishvol said:
I'm sorry you school failed you with reading comprehension (yes the DOE diesy influence standards). Though, you fall under my second statement. It's up to the individual to properly be educated
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Show me DoE influence on Tennessee education standards that are set by the Tennessee Board of Education.

Be specific.

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Can I state something about DoE that I think several miss or intentionally omit to be obtuse?

1.) Scores are not as bad internationally as it seems. I've made this argument in another thread, but America includes many demographics in its testing that other countries do not. This leads the US average to be lower than others.

2.) Schools provide more than just educational outcomes. They also serve now, for better or worse, as cultural centers for communities and provide other tangible resources to kids that don't show up on tests. For example, hot meals, job training, and, generally, teachers who believe and counsel them because their parents are too busy scrolling facebook marketplace.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Show me DoE influence on Tennessee education standards that are set by the Tennessee Board of Education.

Be specific.

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3ESS3 (both) why does a kid in Tennessee need to figure out how to reduce the impact of volcanoes and earthquakes (outs barely take pictures off the wall)



4.ESS3 (both) this about human affect their environment and I'd bet good money the TCAP test questions will be about negative human impact and no positive human impact



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6ESS2.2,4,5

6ESS3.1,3

That's just elementary I don't have time to go through middle and high school
 
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