Why Do We Contiually Recruit Players Then Switch Them To New Places

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KLayneUT8

KLayneUT8

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Why do we contiually recruit players who are rank so high in their positions then when they get here We switch them to new spots where they never played before....This may happen every where I dont know though Im jsut lookin for more reasons to rip into the coachins staff:censored:
 
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I'm not sure, but we always like to be undersized. We put our bigger CBs at S, our bigger Ss at LB, our bigger LBs at DE, our bigger DEs at DT, and our bigger DTs at OL. It is supposedly a ploy to gain speed. It doesn't matter if you can't tackle, though.
 
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Usually the ability to make such moves is beneficial to the team. For instance when you can recruit a three or four star running back and move him to linebacker or move a highly touted DL to the OL you usually end up with a more athletic person at the position. Incidentally this is really not something that lesser teams are able to accomplish because they have to make hard promises to recruits regarding where they will play.

It is also often a necessity. These kids are young when recruited, and though the coaches have some idea about how they develop, there is really no model to follow. Some players simply have body types to put on more weight than others. Obviously weight + speed is a wild card that ultimately determines where a player will end up.

Lately, UT's coaches have really not been as effective in making the moves. It seems that it has taken them too long to evaluate the talent so they have been late getting people to their natural college positions.
 
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We sure don't look to fast to me. It looked like florida was playing at warp speed and we were stuck in neutral or reverse for that matter. After all the lip service this offseason about all the team speed we have. I don't know about you guys, but i just don't see it. We were stuck in neutral against cal also.
 
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Cartervol said:
We sure don't look to fast to me. It looked like florida was playing at warp speed and we were stuck in neutral or reverse for that matter. After all the lip service this offseason about all the team speed we have. I don't know about you guys, but i just don't see it. We were stuck in neutral against cal also.
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We are simply not as fast as we used to be. Our talent level is definitely not where it needs to be.

Of course our defense just looks slower because of the overpursuit due to their agressive nature.:)

That has little or nothing to do with the switching of players to their national college position. Jimmy Johnson built a legacy on that strategy, and it didn't hurt Phil earlier in his career.
 
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So maybe a florida fan can help me her...Does Florida switch positions as much as we do?
 
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KLayneUT8 said:
So maybe a florida fan can help me her...Does Florida switch positions as much as we do?
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Typically all successful programs do. Simply because they can. Again keep this in mind. Coaches change players out of :

Luxury: They have so many recruits at any given position that they can afford to move really good athletes around to get them on the field

Necessity: They are so thin at some places they have to move athletes around to compete

Lately, it seems that UT has been moving people out of necessity.
 
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It's all part of CPF's system. Basically we like to suck the talent out of our players by moving them to positions they are not accustomed to and then ignore the basic fundamentals of said position. After that we top it off by keeping them on the side line and let the lesser talented players screw up, you know the ones we have already coached down. I bet Eric Berry had to do stadiums for making a productive play vs UF.
 
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Here's a crazy thought . . .. Maybe when guys go from high school to a closely monitored strength and conditioning program they tend to add size and strength which allows them to play different positions.
 
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Some of these moves make really good sense. Take the McKenzie move that is coming. A natural safety and a guy that can really hit they say. Moving him up to a LB spot, a position that has the responsibilities of a safety, seems good solid logic...
 
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Isn't happening in every program in the nation. I know in many cases, the high schools coaches are the ones to misuse a high school recruits talents and strengths. Therefore, the changes need to be made when they enter into college. During the college years, the skills are refined and if they get to the pro level, it doesn't happen as much to use a player in another position.

WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHEN WE MAKE AS MANY CHANGES AS WE ARE HAVING TO MAKE, WHY DOESN'T CPF AND STAFF MAKE THE 'VERY OBVIOUS' JUDGMENTS IN THE SPRING AND SUMMER SCRIMMAGES?
 
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I would guess it happens at many other places but you don't follow them as close. How many HS QB's get moved to another position in college? They are usually put there because they are athletes first.
 
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utvolpj said:
I would guess it happens at many other places but you don't follow them as close. How many HS QB's get moved to another position in college? They are usually put there because they are athletes first.
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exactly, any high school coach will put their best players at those skilled positions and then build the restof the team....and offense around them, for that matter.
 
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GAVol said:
Here's a crazy thought . . .. Maybe when guys go from high school to a closely monitored strength and conditioning program they tend to add size and strength which allows them to play different positions.
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You sir are an innovator!
 
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Can we get some input from fans from other schools that may be lurking on this one?

I just don't remember hearing about FL, UGA, So Cal, etc players being switched like we do; granted I don't really keep track of them like I do us. I can understand some of the players that become gym rats(i.e. Ellix Wilson) and gain some weight, thus a move is needed; but others seem to puzzle me. It's almost like robbing Peter to pay Paul at times.
 
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GAVol said:
Here's a crazy thought . . .. Maybe when guys go from high school to a closely monitored strength and conditioning program they tend to add size and strength which allows them to play different positions.
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:idea:
 
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GAVol said:
Here's a crazy thought . . .. Maybe when guys go from high school to a closely monitored strength and conditioning program they tend to add size and strength which allows them to play different positions.
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Dang it, that's what I was going to say.
Just because some kid excels in a h.s. position doesn't mean that he would not do better in another position in college. He may be a great athlete and filling a need for his h.s. team that is not his best position, but being a great athlete he is able to play well at. Why not take him and place him somewhere that his physical and mental skills are more suited to him when you get him in college, if anything this is the more difficult route that requires more coaching.
 
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KLayneUT8 said:
So maybe a florida fan can help me her...Does Florida switch positions as much as we do?
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One of their CBs last week enrolled in the spring semester last year as a WR and moved to CB over the summer. He then saw a lot of playing time against UT as a CB.

So positions do change at other schools yes.
 
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This even happens in the pros but to a lesser extent. Remember Arkansas QB Matt Jones? Now he's a wide receiver for the Jacksonville Jaguars.
 
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Volmania said:
This even happens in the pros but to a lesser extent. Remember Arkansas QB Matt Jones? Now he's a wide receiver for the Jacksonville Jaguars.
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Antwaan Randle-El, Reggie McNeal, Brad Smith there are quite a few. But that is a little different than college
 
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bottom line is that hs coaches put those players in positions where they have maximum impact for their teams, whether it is best suited for the player's particular skill set or not.
 
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Because the job of a college coach isn't to develop NFL talent or to rely solely on whatever coaching a high school coach provides.

If I'm a college offensive line coach, I would probably ignore most high school linemen. I'd get exclusively tight ends and basketball players, and here's why

1) Defensive linemen are faster and more agile than ever before. Offensive linemen have not caught up because there are too many coaches who believe that size = quality

2) Footwork and hand position are the most important attributes of line play. Tight ends and basketball players have to be enormously focused on these two things, whereas most high school line coaches simply put the strongest and slowest out there and say "Go on, hold to your heart's content".

3) A lot of high school linemen have received extremely poor coaching. I have enough confidence in my own ability to teach them the right way. It's honestly a lot easier to teach someone who has the athleticism AND no basis of technique "the right way" than it is to teach both fundamentals and athleticism to someone who lacks one and has been ingrained with the wrong way of the other.
 
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