Why all the ammo purchases from govt agencies?

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there are links to the actual requests in the articles but sure

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportu...88a3301e5&tab=core&_cview=0&fb_source=message

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportu...&id=bfd95987a1ad9a6dfb22bca4a19150cb&_cview=0

one example:
The DOC NOAA National Weather Service - Western Acquisition Division ? Boulder requires the following items, Purchase Description Determined by Line Item, to the following:
LI 001, 16,000 rounds of ammunition for semiautomatic pistols to be factory-loaded .40 S&W caliber, 180-grain jacketed hollow point (JHP). No reloads may be used with these weapons. All service furnished ammunition for issued firearms will be U.S. factory production.
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Well, if you're going to believe the gub'ment here's what is said about the NWS ammo.

Weather Service ammo-procurement notice stirs conspiracies theories - In the Loop - The Washington Post

That sounds reasonable enough. I'm not immediately aware of anyone from a "mainstream" source that indicates any explanation for the SSA's ammo procurement though. Does the SSA have it's "own" security? If so those guys have to train and carry ammo I would think.

If anyone can demonstrate that the ammo purchases by DHS, NWS & SSA are well outside any historical precedent it might pique my curiosity.
 
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tell me again, why do SSA, NWS, EPA, etc. need their own armed forces?
 
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The reason why they are buying so many rounds is because it is close to fiscal year end. In other words, they are using the funds before they lose the funds.
 
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BearCat204 said:
The reason why they are buying so many rounds is because it is close to fiscal year end. In other words, they are using the funds before they lose the funds.
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and the SSA just decided to spend excess funds (ie our money) on ammo? Just don't understand why everyone looks to be stocking up at a time when the govt wants to clamp down on purchases by citizens. Odd timing I guess
 
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utvolpj said:
and the SSA just decided to spend excess funds (ie our money) on ammo? Just don't understand why everyone looks to be stocking up at a time when the govt wants to clamp down on purchases by citizens. Odd timing I guess
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If you look at the duty carry list (agents who are required to carry) you will notice that they break out round distribution per field office. I have seen that they have a total of 230 field agents that require a carry cert for the .357 and 174,000 rounds per comes out to be about 756 rounds per agent. Thats not a lot of rounds when you think about the bianual quals and training that they have to do. The RFQ (request for quotation) looks to point that this is a purchase to fulfil a longer term requirement since they are setting the bid deadline to 8/13 to allow for award of before the end of september. Everyone is seeing a substantial drawback and cut in procurement funds, so this is a smart way for them to fullfill a requirement and use FY12 money as well.
 
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utvolpj said:
Just confused as to why the Social Security admin and National Weather service would require thousands of rounds of ammo? One might think that the billion or so rounds bought by DHS would suffice.

» National Weather Service Follows DHS In Huge Ammo Purchase Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

» Social Security Administration To Purchase 174 Thousand Rounds Of Hollow Point Bullets Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
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Interesting question.

Maybe SS is going broke sooner than we thought?

Can't think of why the weather service would need them though.

FWIW, those hollow points are some nasty little pills.

I doubt they are preparing for target practice.
 
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also why hollow points when our soldiers aren't allowed to carry them in combat?
 
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utvolpj said:
also why hollow points when our soldiers aren't allowed to carry them in combat?
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I have no idea.......all I know is that there is a requirement for this procurement and in order to get a requirement, you have to have justification.....what that justification is, I dont know.
 
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Sounds like i need to run on down to the gun store and get a few cases ordered before the government buys it all up.
 
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hndog609 said:
IIRC that's a long standing agreement for military small arms in the Laws of War, The Hague Peace Conference.
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I understand that but it seems odd to agree to those rules when trying to destroy a country yet ignore when trying to protect a country. Something deemed too dangerous in the hands of our most highly trained troops is fine for security guards for the US govt?

I don't have any answers just questions that pop into my head
 
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utvolpj said:
I understand that but it seems odd to agree to those rules when trying to destroy a country yet ignore when trying to protect a country. Something deemed too dangerous in the hands of our most highly trained troops is fine for security guards for the US govt?

I don't have any answers just questions that pop into my head
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I'm guessing there's a distinction drawn between "military" in the international sense (ball ammo required) and government personnel acting within our own borders. A treaty is a treaty I suppose.
 
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Our military trains to engage at the maximum range of your weapon so we opt for ballistic accuracy over stopping power for most of our weapons. Our side arms are generally for show and for when things get really, really bad, but guys who expect to use a sidearm in close combat are able to get weapons and ammo with appropriate stopping power.

These purchases are for the law enforcement arms of the agencies--the weather service was an error, if you look at the bid request it is for NOAA Fish and Wildlife Agents. SSA, not sure, but I would think either security personnel or currency transport.

And, oh, yeah, 48K rounds isn't that large of a purchase.
 
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The Virginian: Who Does The Government Intend To Shoot?

In March DHS ordered 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition. It then turned around and ordered an additional 750 million rounds of miscellaneous bullets including some that are capable of penetrating walls. This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen. Is this something we and the Congress should be concerned about?
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