Why all the “we need a VFL” chatter?

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I see everyone saying “we needn’t a VFL staff because they get the culture”....What do you mean? The culture that means we want to win? The culture of we used to be good?

Do you think the issue with Butch and Dooley was that they didn’t realize we wanted to win? Not trying to stir the pot, I just don’t understand this idea that somehow hiring a guy that played here will turn this thing around.
 
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VFLCodyGBO said:
I see everyone saying “we needn’t a VFL staff because they get the culture”....What do you mean? The culture that means we want to win? The culture of we used to be good?

Do you think the issue with Butch and Dooley was that they didn’t realize we wanted to win? Not trying to stir the pot, I just don’t understand this idea that somehow hiring a guy that played here will turn this thing around.
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This scares me. The fan base is rightfully angry and I’m afraid a VFL will wrongly pacify us.
 
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I think people see the success Smart is having at UGA and assume that it would be the same at UT. There's no former UT player out there with the resume of Smart when he wat hired at UGA. Tee is the only guy, and he has only been an actual OC for two years. That's it. The only other interest he is getting is from places like Georgia Southern. I don't think he is ready yet
 
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not saying we "need" a VFL...just wished Mr Currie would give an ear to VFL's to make the best hire available for the Vols...and, as always...

GO VOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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BECAUSE...

UT has had nothing but outsiders running the University for well over a decade now and you see what a cluster **** everything has become.

It is imperative to have TN people in charge of TN interests. Outsiders just don't get it. They don't understand the culture. The importance of athletics in regards to economy and overall morale.

It's MORE than just running a business.

There is a reason I can't hold a political office where I do not live.
 
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The last VFL coach we had won a National Championship!

Just saying, don't Taze me bro! :blink:


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The last three hires have been nothing more than paid mercenaries and all three had open disdain for the tradition and history of the school.

Hell, Jones was hiding the national championship trophy behind his "brick by brick" slogan under the steps.

I don't buy into the theory of it has to be a former Vol player or coach, but it would be nice for someone to be hired that actually appreciates the school, it's history, and being in Knoxville.
 
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You want good coaches with serious ties to the program. People who know what it means to run through the T and to give their all for Tennessee. Do you think any of the previous three coaches had that same burning desire to see UT back on top because I sure do not. They were here for one thing, a pay check.
 
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Ever heard the saying "it takes one to know one"

Orange blood runs deep. A VFL understands us, has our best interest in mind. They embrace our traditions, respect our values, they know our history, and want to keep the legacy alive. We don't necessarily need a VFL coach, but we do need them on the inside. I can't stand these outsiders running and ruining this program. Calling themself, a "We" like they are orange blooded. It's more like an experiment for them
 
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His resume is equal that of Dabo when he was hired by Clemson. His resume is not much weaker than Stoops when he was hired by Oklahoma. Richt at UGA. Stronger than Pat Fitzgerald at Northwestern.

Technically Tee’s resume is = Kiffin when we first hired him, considering even Lane probably leaves that Raiders stint off his resume when applying for jobs. Yet we all know Tee is more mature than Kiffin ever was and has a clean rep through the coach world. And it’s not that much further from Fulmer’s resume when he was hired here. He had been OC for only 3-4 years if I remember correctly.

At some point the Vols have got to take a chance. UGA takes chances. Two coordinators = two coaches who have won 11 games in a season.

Vols need HC experience. Bring me Dooley! Bring me Butch! No one wants the job now except maybe Terry Bowden or Bob Davie. What about Frank Solich? He has experience. We can hire Tee as HC in waiting, which everyone knows he is not going to make a lateral move. It just gives people ammo to say “told u he loves the west coast more than Knoxville” BS again.

There is no sure thing except Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Gary Patterson, and Chris Petersen.

AND THERE IS NO CHANCE THEY WILL COME.

Lane Kiffin is a no go, unless you want to cost the university millions in dried up donations from even more angry boosters who had to clean up his mess.

There is no HR hire- there are only safe picks with low ceilings or risks.

For the first time in 30 years- it’s time for the Vols to take a risk.

You can’t go any lower than winless in the SEC and child molestation accusations painted on a giant rock.


Grow some testicles and do it.
 
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VFLCodyGBO said:
How many schools that have won national titles (or conference) have had an alumni led AD/Team?
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How many have won with someone who didn’t have HC experience before?

I’ll answer that. A lot.
 
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Hiring a VFL makes it harder to fire when things are not going well.

I don't believe where a person lives or what university they graduated from should be a factor. If that is a factor - you never get the best person for the job.
 
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VFLCodyGBO said:
I see everyone saying “we needn’t a VFL staff because they get the culture”....What do you mean? The culture that means we want to win? The culture of we used to be good?

Do you think the issue with Butch and Dooley was that they didn’t realize we wanted to win? Not trying to stir the pot, I just don’t understand this idea that somehow hiring a guy that played here will turn this thing around.
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Culture is a certain set of beliefs and ways of doing things.

In my culture, at home, we gathered for Sunday dinner. It was at a specific house, at a specific time, after going to a specific church.

Now others may believe in going to church, and gathering for family dinner. But ours is unique. It is unique to us.

Even among my family, certain things are unique. My wife can't make a certain dish the way her Grandmother could. She has the same recipe, but it's just a little different. So, culture isn't a panacea. It doesn't guarantee success. But my wife makes that dish the closest to her grandmothers than any we have found.

The culture at Tennessee has changed. We no longer do things the way we used to. Maybe that's good, maybe that's bad. Maybe it's just different. My family used to cook everything on cast iron, now they use no stick pans. It does effect the flavor, but is it better or worse, I don't know.

People talk about restoring a VFL staff, because it's like family. Look at it like a falling out among family. We run off our cousins that always was at Sunday dinner. They quit bringing their side dishes. The meal hasn't been the same since. We don't eat at the same time anymore. We have a TV on now during the meal. It changed our culture.

People long for familiarity. It gives us comfort. Fans want the family to come back and restore our culture because it gives us that same feeling we get from having Grandma's biscuits again. Some people call it nostalgia, but I personally believe it is more than that. It is almost an instinctual need to restore that which gives us comfort. We are creatures of habit, after all.

Getting back to VFLs will restore culture somewhat. An Al Wilson knows only one way to be a leader. A Tee Martin knows what was expected in daily practice. A Kevin Steele remembers what we did day in and day out, and how it worked on game day.

It may not always be the best way. But it was our way.
 
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I want a VFL hired so we can then clean house in the AD. I doubt an outsider worth a crap would come with an AD about to fired. I could be wrong just feel like we need some orange blood in there right now.
 
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I thought everyone wanted a great coach. Guess not.

The only reason the VFL chatter is loud is that the other VFL's believe that will allow them more leverage. Guess what - those VFL fools in the media are part of the problem.
 
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It's all about the pride in the Power T. A former player is the only one that can effectively convey to these players what it means to wear the T on their helmet. I know someone else can come in and say they respect our tradition and history but they haven't lived it. Give me someone that has physically sweat and bleed for the T to get these player to fully understand what it used to mean to be here.
 
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And this is 2017 - football has changed! This is not the 1990's or 1950's or whatever year you all remember.

Culture has changed. There is no loyalty - folks are all about themselves. If a VFL takes the job - it is all about and only about the money. If you truly believe a VFL takes the job because of any other reason - ask them to coach for free and see what they say.
 
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ShoNuff said:
UT Football is dead. It was a good run.
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I'm beginning to believe this is true.

There is both a bad side and a good side to fans getting their way.

We saw the good side on Sunday. We are seeing the bad side now. We need a strong AD, but don't have one. It is quite possible that folks in power may just let whatever happen so they can later say "I told you so".
 
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volfan102455 said:
And this is 2017 - football has changed! This is not the 1990's or 1950's or whatever year you all remember.

Culture has changed. There is no loyalty - folks are all about themselves. If a VFL takes the job - it is all about and only about the money. If you truly believe a VFL takes the job because of any other reason - ask them to coach for free and see what they say.
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So they don't love the university unless they coach for free?
 
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We don't need an all Vols staff to be successful. As everything is really coming to light, it is our administration that has failed us with multiple unsuccessful hires. The fans didn't hire Kiffin, Dooley, and Butch. And we as fans have every right to be upset with our administrators and any boosters who have played a role in our failures. At this point ESPN and all of the other nay sayers need to be pointing fingers at the administration and applauding a fan base for sticking through a University that has failed at almost every turn when it comes to football for the past decade. At this point in time the administration needs to slow down and make the best possible hire it can regardless of money.
 
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