Who thinks that Alec Baldwin will win an appeal....

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At first they did mention the lady that was responsible for bringing the blanks and
that I believe it was reported that "she" did not know how a live round ended up
in the gun...." As armorer, Gutierrez Reed, the daughter of famed Hollywood armorer Thell Reed, was responsible for maintaining, handling, loading and unloading any weapons on set. When Baldwin arrived on set, he said Gutierrez Reed gave him a 90-minute demonstration on gun safety".
"David Bowles, an attorney for Gutierrez Reed, told "Good Morning America" last month that he believes somebody may have "intended to sabotage this set with a live round intentionally placed in a box of dummies.” Bowles added that Gutierrez-Reed had no idea where the live bullets came from".
So anyway I think that this is a very strange case, I mean wouldn't negligence play a part in this case or is it always the actors responsibility to know
everything about weapons when they are brought on set? Now I definitely believe that someone should be held responsible of course, but does
the responsibility solely rest on the actor alone is my real question??
 
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Vjcvette said:
At first they did mention the lady that was responsible for bringing the blanks and
that I believe it was reported that "she" did not know how a live round ended up
in the gun...." As armorer, Gutierrez Reed, the daughter of famed Hollywood armorer Thell Reed, was responsible for maintaining, handling, loading and unloading any weapons on set. When Baldwin arrived on set, he said Gutierrez Reed gave him a 90-minute demonstration on gun safety".
"David Bowles, an attorney for Gutierrez Reed, told "Good Morning America" last month that he believes somebody may have "intended to sabotage this set with a live round intentionally placed in a box of dummies.” Bowles added that Gutierrez-Reed had no idea where the live bullets came from".
So anyway I think that this is a very strange case, I mean wouldn't negligence play a part in this case or is it always the actors responsibility to know
everything about weapons when they are brought on set? Now I definitely believe that someone should be held responsible of course, but does
the responsibility solely rest on the actor alone is my real question??
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An individual is always responsible for what is in the weapon they are holding. Every time without fail. Calling it a “prop gun” doesn’t change anything. If it will fire a live round then it’s a firearm. Nobody is responsible but the person holding the firearm when it’s discharged.
There is absolutely no way around this for Baldwin. Someone died because of his negligence at best but I’d call it arrogant stupidity.
 
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The problem for Alec is he holds both ends of the rope, he had influence in armorer selection as the producer and was the one that pulled the trigger. When his defense attempts to point a finger, it ultimately will be pointing at him. I don’t see any way he can avoid some level of responsibility in the negligence. He might never receive any punishment of consequence but he has to be found guilty
 
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You only need to file an appeal if he is convicted. He has only been charged.

He is also a producer of the film so there's an extra fiduciary position there to ensure a safe set....
 
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Why would anyone allow a gun "fake or not" to be pointed at someone on a set where you control everything. If you need to point the gun at a camera for a shot, then make sure nobody is standing behind it!
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
An individual is always responsible for what is in the weapon they are holding. Every time without fail. Calling it a “prop gun” doesn’t change anything. If it will fire a live round then it’s a firearm. Nobody is responsible but the person holding the firearm when it’s discharged.
There is absolutely no way around this for Baldwin. Someone died because of his negligence at best but I’d call it arrogant stupidity.
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He should be convicted of negligent homicide. His advocacy group says get rid of all guns. My advocacy group says EVERYONE should know how to safely handle a firearm. If you don't, you should NEVER touch one.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
He should be convicted of negligent homicide. His advocacy group says get rid of all guns. My advocacy group says EVERYONE should know how to safely handle a firearm. If you don't, you should NEVER touch one.
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I feel like people were very hard on him because of his comments and stuff. He went out of his way a lot to criticize owning guns, and making it political. I'll agree 100% that not everyone should have one, but not everyone who does is a right wing nut job Trumper.
 
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joevol33 said:
I feel like people were very hard on him because of his comments and stuff. He went out of his way a lot to criticize owning guns, and making it political. I'll agree 100% that not everyone should have one, but not everyone who does is a right wing nut job Trumper.
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Everyone should have the opportunity to own a firearm unless not mentally competent, a convicted felon or not a citizen of this country (I'm sure there are more but none come to mind). I never said they were Trumps supporters. My statement stills stands, he is fully responsible for his actions and inactions involving that death. If you have listened to any of his radio rants, he is not competent to handle a firearm.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Everyone should have the opportunity to own a firearm unless not mentally competent, a convicted felon or not a citizen of this country (I'm sure there are more but none come to mind). I never said they were Trumps supporters. My statement stills stands, he is fully responsible for his actions and inactions involving that death. If you have listened to any of his radio rants, he is not competent to handle a firearm.
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I agree with you. It doesn’t matter if the gun is a prop or a live one, it’s up to the person holding and pointing it to make sure it’s safe and how to use it.
 
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joevol33 said:
I feel like people were very hard on him because of his comments and stuff. He went out of his way a lot to criticize owning guns, and making it political. I'll agree 100% that not everyone should have one, but not everyone who does is a right wing nut job Trumper.
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A nut job Trumper most likely has a better understanding of gun safety compared to Alec Baldwin.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Jason Lee died in similar fashion while filming the crow. Solid movie btw.
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Didn’t his dad, Bruce Lee die similar? That was so sad at the time. I remember ‘The Crow’ and liked it. I refuse to use the google machine to look it up, but wasn’t it on the set of the second movie?
 
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Orangeredblooded said:
Didn’t his dad, Bruce Lee die similar? That was so sad at the time. I remember ‘The Crow’ and liked it. I refuse to use the google machine to look it up, but wasn’t it on the set of the second movie?
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He died on set of first crow. Bruce died of a brain edema caused by an adverse reaction to painkillers.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
The first lesson in use of handguns is never point a gun at anybody you don’t intend to shoot and every gun is loaded with live ammunition.
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The truest statement. I remember my dad telling me this when I was 8 and was given my first long gun. He also said that if you shoot you better make sure you mean to kill. Thankful that I have never had to be it the position of pointing one at another person.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
The first lesson in use of handguns is never point a gun at anybody you don’t intend to shoot and every gun is loaded with live ammunition.
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And I’ll add one more, don’t own a gun if you can’t live with the results of using one. I suspect some who those take the “guns are bad” attitude know they couldn’t live with themselves if they ever used one
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
He died on set of first crow. Bruce died of a brain edema caused by an adverse reaction to painkillers.
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Well, that’s the second time today I’ve looked stupid. I know that I’ll use the google machine to at least make me look like I know something here on out 😒.
 
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He is going to be 65 - probably gets a huge fine & has to pay the victims family -- drained of his fortune is probably worse than prison at this point in his life
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
An individual is always responsible for what is in the weapon they are holding. Every time without fail. Calling it a “prop gun” doesn’t change anything. If it will fire a live round then it’s a firearm. Nobody is responsible but the person holding the firearm when it’s discharged.
There is absolutely no way around this for Baldwin. Someone died because of his negligence at best but I’d call it arrogant stupidity.
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What I was thinking about, I just don't see every actor in every western or what ever action show they are making checking to see if every bullet is really a blank...
 
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Vjcvette said:
What I was thinking about, I just don't see every actor in every western or what ever action show they are making checking to see if every bullet is really a blank...
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It’s their responsibility.
You absolutely never ever pull the trigger on a gun you didn’t load. And there’s absolutely no way to mistake a blank for a live round. The missing projectile is a huge clue that it’s a blank

Alec Baldwin is absolutely responsible for the death and injuries caused by aiming a firearm and pulling the trigger
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
It’s their responsibility.
You absolutely never ever pull the trigger on a gun you didn’t load. And there’s absolutely no way to mistake a blank for a live round. The missing projectile is a huge clue that it’s a blank

Alec Baldwin is absolutely responsible for the death and injuries caused by aiming a firearm and pulling the trigger
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Orangeslice13 said:
It’s their responsibility.
You absolutely never ever pull the trigger on a gun you didn’t load. And there’s absolutely no way to mistake a blank for a live round. The missing projectile is a huge clue that it’s a blank

Alec Baldwin is absolutely responsible for the death and injuries caused by aiming a firearm and pulling the trigger
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Well his defense is that he "did not pull the trigger", I believe that he said he just cocked the gun and it fired, but I believe that they tested that gun to see if it would shoot if you
just cocked it and it may not have.
 
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