Who Is The Worst President In US History?

[volfanhill]

Is there a best US presidents thread? Or maybe favorite?

William Henry Harrison died in 30 days. How much can one leave to criticze?

 

[Govolsman98]

William Henry Harrison died in 30 days. How much can one leave to criticze?

Not much lol. Was not a serious take

 

[82_VOL_83]

Valerie Jarrett tops my list as worst.

 

[OrangeTsar]

The great thing about America is that we can always reach further

 

[Grand Vol]

Ah, got ya. So, what was his alternative to dropping the bombs?

There really weren't good alternatives that wouldn't end up with millions more dead in the long run.

But the other fact that's normally overlooked by that who opposed Hiroshima and Nagasaki is the fact it very likely prevented future use of atomic and nuclear weapons. Pandora was out of the box and even the design team didn't know how bad it was going to be. But I believe the use in WWII caused every world leader for the next 80 years and counting pause for thought in their use.

The fact is killed civilians was horrible, but the other fact (ignored by those who oppose the use) that's ignored is that warfare of the time didn't take civilian deaths into account and didn't care about them. We've gotten better as time had gone on, but neither side worried about "civilian deaths" as a part of the equation back then. It was just something that was accepted even though we know it's morally wrong now.

 

[OHvol40]

There really weren't good alternatives that wouldn't end up with millions more dead in the long run.

But the other fact that's normally overlooked by that who opposed Hiroshima and Nagasaki is the fact it very likely prevented future use of atomic and nuclear weapons. Pandora was out of the box and even the design team didn't know how bad it was going to be. But I believe the use in WWII caused every world leader for the next 80 years and counting pause for thought in their use.

The fact is killed civilians was horrible, but the other fact (ignored by those who oppose the use) that's ignored is that warfare of the time didn't take civilian deaths into account and didn't care about them. We've gotten better as time had gone on, but neither side worried about "civilian deaths" as a part of the equation back then. It was just something that was accepted even though we know it's morally wrong now.

Correct. The estimate of casualties for a land invasion of the main island of Japan (whose leadership was still largely opposed to surrender before the bombs were dropped) was in the 500,000-1,000,000 range. That’s daunting.

The biggest factor leading to Truman’s decision to go ahead and drop the bombs asap was that Russia had finally shifted it’s focus toward Manchuria and was launching a massive land invasion force, expanding their land-grab. Truman wanted to force all parties to the table before Russia got it’s hooks in.

 

[OrangeTsar]

It's crazy how you've been able to simplify one of the most hotly debated topics in American history into "pretty basic math" as if two alternatives where hundreds of thousands of civilians must die are the only options.

You're completely excluding diplomacy as an option.

We did not have to demand unconditional surrender.

“Diplomacy”
Sure Neville, sure

 

[OrangeTsar]

Bad news for Hogg.

 

[OHvol40]

Andrew Jackson has to be considered for any worst president list. I assert that RB Hayes deserves to be in the top 5 worst as well.