Who is responsible for all these coaches saying no to the Vols

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Why do we keep offering coaches raises and keep getting turned down? WTF? Is Tennessee not a great place to coach?
 
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swiperboyfan said:
Why do we keep offering coaches raises and keep getting turned down? WTF? Is Tennessee not a great place to coach?
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I wouldn't sweat it. Right before signing day is a terrible time of the year to be trying to find coaches. Like trying to fish in a snow storm.

Many don't want to end up looking like kiffin
 
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WOW ...JUST WOW... amazing that we get a few No Thank you's and we have a melt down.... Give Dooley a chance to complete his staff , he will and we will be just fine.... and by the way take a breath you will be ok
 
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I think there are several reasons in play. One is that it's so late in the recruiting year. I believe these coaches.....the good one's that is.....do not want to leave during this critical time. Two is that Dooley is a new coach, and coaches are not sure if he'll stick here, leaving them without a job after 2 or three years.
 
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They said no to the offer Hamilton gave them. If they had been offered 4-5 million and complete control would they have said no?

Some of them probably would have, some of them probably would not. They rejected the offer they got, not necessarily the job.

For example, Cutcliffe wanted to bring his assistants and not inherit the ones from Kiffin's staff, so he said no.
 
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It probably has more to do with our OOC Schedule in addition to who we have to play every year. 3 of the last 4 NCs have gone to yearly opponents. Tennessee also isn't exactly sitting with equal talent to those opponents (below the top-tier SEC and below the upcoming Big-12 opponents).

Also, the expectation to win is insane here. Good luck winning against Florida, Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, sprinkled SEC-W opponents and the upcoming Big-12 schedule as opposed to TCU? Utah? Clemson?

Can't blame them for backing down to a tremendous challenge. If they're even being paid 75% of what they'd be getting paid here they should stay out. Basically Tennessee's only hope is to bring in an aggressive coach that absolutely wants to prove himself against the best week-in-week-out competition in the country. Coming here is a much higher risk than it is reward for most coaches in the country. We could only get guys in here that really have nothing to lose.

That's not necessarily indicative of UT.
 
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DC Vol said:
It probably has more to do with our OOC Schedule in addition to who we have to play every year. 3 of the last 4 NCs have gone to yearly opponents. Tennessee also isn't exactly sitting with equal talent to those opponents (below the top-tier SEC and below the upcoming Big-12 opponents).

Also, the expectation to win is insane here. Good luck winning against Florida, Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, sprinkled SEC-W opponents and the upcoming Big-12 schedule as opposed to TCU? Utah? Clemson?

Can't blame them for backing down to a tremendous challenge. If they're even being paid 75% of what they'd be getting paid here they should stay out. Basically Tennessee's only hope is to bring in an aggressive coach that absolutely wants to prove himself against the best week-in-week-out competition in the country. Coming here is a much higher risk than it is reward for most coaches in the country. We could only get guys in here that really have nothing to lose.

That's necessarily indicative of UT.
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That's the facts, Jack.
 
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oklavol said:
They said no to the offer Hamilton gave them. If they had been offered 4-5 million and complete control would they have said no?

Some of them probably would have, some of them probably would not. They rejected the offer they got, not necessarily the job.

For example, Cutcliffe wanted to bring his assistants and not inherit the ones from Kiffin's staff, so he said no.
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Yeah, Cutlciffe was never contacted by Hamilton, never offered, and never even a real candidate. That's not what happened at all...
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What DC Vol said plus the fact that between Fulmer's last couple of years and Kiffin's one year UT has a pretty depleted roster and a very difficult '10 recruiting situation. UT is a high risk job right now.
 
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sjt18 said:
What DC Vol said plus the fact that between Fulmer's last couple of years and Kiffin's one year UT has a pretty depleted roster and a very difficult '10 recruiting situation. UT is a high risk job right now.
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2010 is absolutely brutal.

Sept. 4 Akron
Sept. 11 Oregon
Sept. 18 Florida
Sept. 25 UAB
Oct. 2 at LSU
Oct. 9 at Georgia
Oct. 23 Alabama
Oct. 30 at South Carolina
Nov. 6 at Memphis
Nov. 13 Mississippi
Nov. 20 at Vanderbilt
Nov. 27 Kentucky

Compare that to the 2010 TCU and Utah schedules.
 
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I can understand Muschamp, Gruden, Utah Coach, Coach turning UT down, all for different reasons though.

Muschamp yes he would have gotten a raise but he most likely felt like he would be set up for failure. Our program is in shambles now and has been. CPF let the talent level fall below ACC standards X killed this class and WM didn't think he could salvage it. Too much work to do and if most likely thought he couldn't do it in 3 to 4 years and might be fired. Why leave a school where you pick your recruits and play easy schedules for the meat grinder of the SEC?

Gruden? I bet if CLK had quit after NSD with a top 5 class he just might have taken the job, but again he has way to big of a rep to risk on a rebuilding project.

The other HC's they just didn't want toi be thought of in the same light as CLK.
 
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Shouldn't even ligitimately throw out former Super Bowl coaches. No way any of them go to college.

I don't even think it would matter how much they would be paid. They're making their bank as a commentator only working 1 day a week. They have analysts do all the research... they just read it out in front of a TV camera. No significant stress. No stats to meet.

Then they can just wait for a premier job to open up like Shanny did with DC. He took a year off and probably went to the Bahamas and then took a job for $7mil/year.
 
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oklavol said:
They said no to the offer Hamilton gave them. If they had been offered 4-5 million and complete control would they have said no?

Some of them probably would have, some of them probably would not. They rejected the offer they got, not necessarily the job.

For example, Cutcliffe wanted to bring his assistants and not inherit the ones from Kiffin's staff, so he said no.
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Yeah...you're right on about that. I was hoping Hamilton had enough sense not to try and tie a HC down with the old staff (even though continuity is desperately needed and one reason I'm glad Chaney stayed).
I have a really hard time believing Wittingham wouldn't come for 3.5-4mill/yr and without strings attached regarding staff.
 
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If this were December we probably get someone we have already offered, but it's not and Dooley, I believe, is really trying to get it right. Not sure he can do it in the time frame given him.
 
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DC Vol said:
2010 is absolutely brutal.

Sept. 4 Akron
Sept. 11 Oregon
Sept. 18 Florida
Sept. 25 UAB
Oct. 2 at LSU
Oct. 9 at Georgia
Oct. 23 Alabama
Oct. 30 at South Carolina
Nov. 6 at Memphis
Nov. 13 Mississippi
Nov. 20 at Vanderbilt
Nov. 27 Kentucky

Compare that to the 2010 TCU and Utah schedules.
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We better schedule Homecoming earlier this yearbecause Ole Miss may be a game we lose and trust me it sucks to lose on Homecoming, I was there when we had the U scheduled for HC.
We ran the ball to the 1 on the first play of the game, settled for a FG and then the rest is history and we got our butts handed to us.:mf_surrender::bad:
 
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PennVol said:
Yeah, Cutlciffe was never contacted by Hamilton, never offered, and never even a real candidate. That's not what happened at all...
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There were several stories on this, here's one:

Things get rockier on Rocky Top as Cutcliffe declines - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com

Here's a knee slapper: Tennessee got turned down by the Duke coach.
It lost out on the Duke coach, who had one small request: He wanted to bring the Duke coaching staff.
That's what it's come to at Tennessee -- a car wreck being played out very publicly in The Great Search to Replace Lane Kiffin. We're now on Day 3 since Lane switched lanes and took his act West. Seems like Year 3 for suffering Vols fans who have been turned down, in order, by Will Muschamp, Troy Calhoun and Duke's David Cutcliffe.
Cutcliffe was the latest on Friday. He apparently wanted to bring his staff. That's not an unusual request, especially for a guy who lost his job at Mississippi a few years ago rather than change assistants.
It's called loyalty, a term that must burn like acid in Knoxville right about now.
What leverage, exactly, does Tennessee have in telling Cutcliffe he can't bring his assistants? He wouldn't be a home run hire, but he'd be solid. Cut would bring the ringing endorsement of the Manning brothers.
But Tennessee AD Mike Hamilton is so hitched to Kiffin's staff that he stood his ground. Kiffin got several of his staff members multiyear contracts. Once again, though, what leverage does Hamilton have?
He wants the Duke coach, but wants to marry him with Lane Kiffin's assistants? You can see why Cutcliffe might turn down Hamilton.
Loyalty is a word that is being expunged from the American Football Coaches Association dictionary as we speak. The lack of it put Hamilton in this situation. The abundance of it kept him from ending Tennessee's current nightmare.

For the last coach, loyalty lasted 14 months. Cutcliffe could have retired in the Tennessee job, bringing a staff that has won nine games at Duke over the past two seasons. No Duke staff has accomplished that in a two-year period since 1994-95.
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oklavol said:
There were several stories on this, here's one:

Things get rockier on Rocky Top as Cutcliffe declines - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com
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Yeah, that article did no research, but simply got that from knox-news. The article is just flat-out wrong. All of the "Cutcliffe to Tennessee" rumors were all fabricated by the remaining Fulmerites in the athletic office. Hamilton never sat down with him. We did not get turned down by the Duke coach.
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And these stories all fabrications too?

Cutcliffe's loyalty rewards Duke, ACC - ACC Blog - ESPN

I guess they fabricated all the Cutcliffe quotes?

Surprise!

Duke is a more appealing head coaching job than Tennessee.

At least to David Cutcliffe it is, and on Friday morning, that’s all that mattered to the Blue Devils.

Cutcliffe went against the grain and in a shocking move withdrew his name from Tennessee’s head coaching search. Tennessee has more money to offer than Duke. Cutcliffe has a longer history with Tennessee. His daughter goes to school at Tennessee. He still has ties to players there, and he has family in the state. And it’s easier to recruit and win there.

Of course Cutcliffe was interested.

“I was torn,” he said.

Yet Cutcliffe’s bags remained unpacked in Durham.

It says as much about the man as it does about the coach who boosted Duke to nine wins in two seasons and the most success the program has seen since 1994.

This is not what you expect from most college coaches anymore, men who are six-win millionaires and still looking for the next pay raise. Many of them have as much loyalty and commitment as the 17-year-old players they recruit who switch schools three times.

But Cutcliffe’s decision proved he’s got bigger priorities than a name brand.

“You follow your heart in big decisions,” he said. “I have a lot of ties and a lot of people that I’m very close to, and a lot of respect for the University of Tennessee, but my heart is here. We’ve worked very hard these two years to change the culture, to change the team physically. You feel like the job’s not done, and in this era, it bothers me, what we do as coaches, moving here and there … this is mid-January. Nothing about that felt right to me as a person.”

That’s all you need to know about Cutcliffe as a person.

Cutcliffe is so close to his staff he knows their parents, and their children almost as well as he does his own family. He would have wanted to move them all to Tennessee with him if he could. Those assistants left other promising, lucrative jobs and joined Cutcliffe at Duke on trust. Defensive coordinator Marion Hobby was with the New Orleans Saints. Former defensive coordinator Mike MacIntyre had been with the Dallas Cowboys and New York Jets. Associate head coach Ron Middleton left Alabama. Offensive coordinators Matt Luke and Kurt Roper left Tennessee.

On Friday, Cutcliffe returned that loyalty -- not only to his staff, but to Duke and the entire ACC.
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PennVol said:
Yeah, that article did no research, but simply got that from knox-news. The article is just flat-out wrong. All of the "Cutcliffe to Tennessee" rumors were all fabricated by the remaining Fulmerites in the athletic office. Hamilton never sat down with him. We did not get turned down by the Duke coach.
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Tony Basilio said on his show that Cutcliffe NEVER got offered the job...so I found it rather pretentious for Cutcliffe to say in an interview that he really wanted to stay where he was. Saving face, I guess. It would have literally caused rioting if he was hired. Absolutely Catostrophic. Too many fans would've seen that as a Fulmerite coup within the Athletic Department.

It would have been as unruly as Kiffin if Cutcliffe was hired and then to add insult to injury....bring his elite staff from the major ACC powerhouse, Duke. If Hamilton really wanted to see how fast he could get run out of Knoxville...that would've been the way to go. I think Fulmer was sort of positioning himself to take over as AD if that had occurred...his comments about helping in the search right before Cutcliffe's name started coming up in news reports, were just too coincidental. The Fulmerite clan are a nasty scheming bunch...and it looks like they tried to pull something.
 
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The coaching community currently sees UT job as Zook Experience II. Whoever has that job right now is dealing with a discontent and angry fan base demanding success and soon. Until a week ago, UT appeared poised to make a run at the SEC, but likelihood after recent events is that UT is falling further behind Florida and Alabama. Its going ot be a rough ride.
 
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I think Dooley was agood hire. I am more concerned with all of the assistants saying no. That rings especially true for ones that would get a massive raise to coach at their own university.
 
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