Who has more roster talent UT or WVU?

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A few different threads have discussed the talent level for our week 1 game. Here is my shot of looking at it analytically.

Methodology:
1. I only care about the roster talent likely to play a significant role. So based on an abbreviated 2-deep for each team (39 players each team, no punters/kickers).
2. I used the 247 ranking system which uses the following point system.

100 - 98 = Five-star prospect. One of the top 30 players in the nation.
97 - 90 = Four-star prospect. One of the top 300 players in the nation.
89 - 80 = Three-star prospect. One of the top 10% players in the nation.
79 - below = Two-star prospect.

3. If 247 did not rank a player, such as a transfer, I went to another ranking site and plugged in a number accordingly. I did this for 4 players.

Findings:
Here are the position group rankings.
avg rtg.JPG

Takeaway… in 7 out of 8 position groups UT is playing with 4 star talent. In 1 out of 8 position groups WVU is playing with 4 star talent. All position groups for both teams average 3 star or better, so neither is without legit D1 talent.

(Complete data sets to follow.) Thoughts?

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Yea, but that was prior to getting to college, UT has been underperforming and getting judged by Butch Jones' lack of development. So let's say, we compare #Sr, #Jr, # So that are playing that are >=4 Stars.............what does that look like? Because I would give an adjustment to maturity and development of .05 to .10 in ratings.
 
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Yep...we have
37620VOL said:
A few different threads have discussed the talent level for our week 1 game. Here is my shot of looking at it analytically.

Methodology:
1. I only care about the roster talent likely to play a significant role. So based on an abbreviated 2-deep for each team (39 players each team, no punters/kickers).
2. I used the 247 ranking system which uses the following point system.

100 - 98 = Five-star prospect. One of the top 30 players in the nation.
97 - 90 = Four-star prospect. One of the top 300 players in the nation.
89 - 80 = Three-star prospect. One of the top 10% players in the nation.
79 - below = Two-star prospect.

3. If 247 did not rank a player, such as a transfer, I went to another ranking site and plugged in a number accordingly. I did this for 4 players.

Findings:
Here are the position group rankings.
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Takeaway… in 7 out of 8 position groups UT is playing with 4 star talent. In 1 out of 8 position groups WVU is playing with 4 star talent. All position groups for both teams average 3 star or better, so neither is without legit D1 talent.

(Complete data sets to follow.) Thoughts?

@ptclaus98
@aaronvol
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Yep, we have more talent across the board.
 
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FlyFishnVol said:
Yea, but that was prior to getting to college, UT has been underperforming and getting judged by Butch Jones' lack of development. So let's say, we compare #Sr, #Jr, # So that are playing that are >=4 Stars.............what does that look like? Because I would give an adjustment to maturity and development of .05 to .10 in ratings.
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I can honestly see the WVU game going either way. We usually do well against non conference opponents. If we win, I will not be surprised and if we lose I will not be surprised.
I think our bds will be the deciding factor in this game. Hope they play well
 
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37620VOL said:
A few different threads have discussed the talent level for our week 1 game. Here is my shot of looking at it analytically.

Methodology:
1. I only care about the roster talent likely to play a significant role. So based on an abbreviated 2-deep for each team (39 players each team, no punters/kickers).
2. I used the 247 ranking system which uses the following point system.

100 - 98 = Five-star prospect. One of the top 30 players in the nation.
97 - 90 = Four-star prospect. One of the top 300 players in the nation.
89 - 80 = Three-star prospect. One of the top 10% players in the nation.
79 - below = Two-star prospect.

3. If 247 did not rank a player, such as a transfer, I went to another ranking site and plugged in a number accordingly. I did this for 4 players.

Findings:
Here are the position group rankings.
View attachment 164800

Takeaway… in 7 out of 8 position groups UT is playing with 4 star talent. In 1 out of 8 position groups WVU is playing with 4 star talent. All position groups for both teams average 3 star or better, so neither is without legit D1 talent.

(Complete data sets to follow.) Thoughts?

@ptclaus98
@aaronvol
@VFL-82-JP
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Tennessee, and it’s not close.
 
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Volatility said:
We may have more talent, but WVU has had 3+ years of actual coaching. We had five years of pure recruiting without any development. I don’t think Saban or Meyer could cover that coaching deficit in 9 months.
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They have had better actual coaching??? Holgorsen is NOT a good coach...period!
Based on what...look at their record from 2014-2017.
 
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Volatility said:
We may have more talent, but WVU has had 3+ years of actual coaching. We had five years of pure recruiting without any development. I don’t think Saban or Meyer could cover that coaching deficit in 9 months.
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Not at all disagreeing with you about lack of development from Jones and company, there’s no doubt about that.

However, we’re much more talented than WVa, a mediocre team that was 7-6 last year. I fully believe that a top notch coach, a strong coaching staff, can greatly improve this roster, certainly enough to beat a marginal, .500 team like WVa, in 9 months time.
 
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I agree that there are talent equalizers in play.
1. Installation of completely new off and def systems for UT.
2. Coaching experience and continuity for WVU.

Honestly, I think this is about a pick'em game. If we win, it's a big deal and says a lot for the skill of our new coaches.
 
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KBVol said:
Not at all disagreeing with you about lack of development from Jones and company, there’s no doubt about that.

However, we’re much more talented than WVa, a mediocre team that was 7-6 last year. I fully believe that a top notch coach, a strong coaching staff, can greatly improve this roster, certainly enough to beat a marginal, .500 team like WVa, in 9 months time.
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And....WV was crappy on defense last year and lost a ton of guys on that side of the ball if I am not mistaken.
 
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KBVol said:
Not at all disagreeing with you about lack of development from Jones and company, there’s no doubt about that.

However, we’re much more talented than WVa, a mediocre team that was 7-6 last year. I fully believe that a top notch coach, a strong coaching staff, can greatly improve this roster, certainly enough to beat a marginal, .500 team like WVa, in 9 months time.
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I agree.
You and I about 80% of the time are aligned and it's as if you have written my post for me. This is one of these. My head and heart is about 60% thinking we boat race these guys next weekend. The national punditry has gotten my attention though, they're highly rating these guys for some reason that I just do not see. Grier pulled a rabbit out of his hat with Florida level talent end of game to beat UT previously, he doesn't have that this time. I don't think Pruitt puts a team on the field anywhere near as poor performing as what we saw last season. But there's always the possibility he does and if he does they romp us.
 
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UT has advantage on raw tallent, but are learning new offensive and new defense. Also, WV QB and receivers have more experience together. Imho it will be surprising if we win.
 
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37620VOL said:
A few different threads have discussed the talent level for our week 1 game. Here is my shot of looking at it analytically.

Methodology:
1. I only care about the roster talent likely to play a significant role. So based on an abbreviated 2-deep for each team (39 players each team, no punters/kickers).
2. I used the 247 ranking system which uses the following point system.

100 - 98 = Five-star prospect. One of the top 30 players in the nation.
97 - 90 = Four-star prospect. One of the top 300 players in the nation.
89 - 80 = Three-star prospect. One of the top 10% players in the nation.
79 - below = Two-star prospect.

3. If 247 did not rank a player, such as a transfer, I went to another ranking site and plugged in a number accordingly. I did this for 4 players.

Findings:
Here are the position group rankings.
View attachment 164800

Takeaway… in 7 out of 8 position groups UT is playing with 4 star talent. In 1 out of 8 position groups WVU is playing with 4 star talent. All position groups for both teams average 3 star or better, so neither is without legit D1 talent.

(Complete data sets to follow.) Thoughts?

@ptclaus98
@aaronvol
@VFL-82-JP
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To me, it seems possible that UT has more talent, but making an argument purely based off recruiting rankings is silly. UT's talent has far more to prove than WVU at this point. I think making the argument that we have more talent, ignores how poor our perceived superior talent performed last year. I understand we had Butch Jones and that certainly accounts for some of it but I feel like it's somewhere between coaching ineptitude and overrated high school talent. Hope I'm wrong, we will see next week
 
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KBVol said:
Not at all disagreeing with you about lack of development from Jones and company, there’s no doubt about that.

However, we’re much more talented than WVa, a mediocre team that was 7-6 last year. I fully believe that a top notch coach, a strong coaching staff, can greatly improve this roster, certainly enough to beat a marginal, .500 team like WVa, in 9 months time.
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Yes, they were 7-6. But Grier was out the last three games. I don’t know if he would’ve won considering the last three teams were much tougher. But hypothetically this WVU could’ve been 10-3 last year.

Of course, we could’ve hypothetically been 7-5 last year. Football’s a funny game like that.
 
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VFFL said:
They have had better actual coaching??? Holgorsen is NOT a good coach...period!
Based on what...look at their record from 2014-2017.
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Holgorsen is better than Dooley or Jones. We have had 2 Pop Warner coaches on the sidelines since 2010.
 
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