Where Do We Go From Here?

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Then you missed an outstanding post (assuming you weren't joking)..
That was very kind of you, Creekdipper. Thank you.
But Acuna has a point:
During one of our "debates," my late father once said, "Kim, you talk a gallon a minute." My brothers thought that was hilarious, and adding to the frustration, there is simply no allowable response to such a claim - the Catch 22 of dialogue.
"You talk too much."
"No, I don't!"
"Yes, you do! See?"
As an aging great-grandfather, I still talk too much. But hey, my heart's in the right place, so, there's that.

I attended last night's game - first time I'd been inside TBA since ETSU at UT a couple-three years ago. More on that later, but I've doubtless filled my quota on this one.
Cheers.
 
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Call my crazy, but I continue to see demonstrative, encouraging signs of growth for our Ladies in Orange, White, and Blue, and very sadly for Thursday night’s game, Black. God’s continued Strength and Blessings to all involved.
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So, we have ourselves a turnover problem. Given the particular circumstances and personnel makeup of our team - the graduated and transferred players; the new coaching staff, the inexperience, the competition, Zaay Green’s injury - no one should be all that surprised.
And, there is a dedicated post about a particular player - Rae Burrell - who is mentioned at some length below, but this being a little sensitive, I’m posting it here so as not to contaminate the scene there. So, just an observation from the Mississippi State game, about a special player - Rae Burrell.

Rae is a really talented player and we are nearing tournament time wherein we will be hard-pressed to win without her.
I remember a player from just after the most recent Title teams who would get the ball and shoot. *Yes, we all know who she is, but that’s of no importance here, and, why I’m posting this here.* She could hit shots from 22-ft, or drive down the right side (always the right) and shoot. Oh, she could really shoot.
So, what could possibly go wrong?
Several fans (onliners just like us) began to complain that she was negatively affecting team chemistry, and they were attacked by her supporters (it seemed about fifty-fifty).
Bottom line, Pat loved and tolerated the shooter. From what I know she’s a lovely person, and doesn’t strike me as selfish. But the opinions of my few acquaintances who followed the Lady Vols at that time were unanimously hostile. It went back and forth on the forum, neither side giving an inch.
Things changed rather drastically, however, when one of her teammates spoke up, (paraphrasing) “For us to be successful, we need to share the ball.” I don’t want to open old wounds or awaken grudges for any of you who might have participated on either side of those debates. But, setting aside what any of us online experts might have thought or said, there was an unmistakable tension.
Anyhow, she actually made it for awhile in the WNBA, in fact, she might still be there or playing overseas. So, a highly-talented player, but one who, fair or not, many considered selfish.

I think that Rae can be amazing, and I do not think she’s selfish! In fact, I actually recall a nice assist to Jessie during the game in which Jessie went off for five threes. And, I remember a long, open-court fast break, bounce pass from Rae for a layup that, to me was the highlight of the European games. Oh, and those behind-the-back fast break feeds we recently witnessed? So, I do not see selfish when Rae has the ball. I see incredible hustle and great playmaking skills, but quite often, a lack of consistent, clear court vision. There are near-countless players who do not possess that most-important trait, and it’s a skill more difficult to acquire (and maintain) than it might appear. Players that do not develop this trait early, often make incredible passes or have entire games with no turnovers, only to revert back to old habits during the heat of battle. I simply cannot imagine that this problem is not being addressed daily in full team, and individual practices. And, I expect we’ll see improvement at LSU. However, not for the entire game. It just works that way. It (turnovers) is a habit. When’s the last time you tried to break one?
Anyhow, I trust in our Staff’s ability, and in Rae’s desire to get better.
Cheers!
 
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I'd be in favor of firing the whole staff tonight and running them out of town if I thought there was the slightest chance they weren't already doing all of these things.

I also don't think it has anything to do with player awareness of the problem or its impact. My God, its the first and only thing anyone talks about in relation to this team. Andy Landers making a damn second career of it. We can stipulate everyone involved knows the problem and has tried every practice technique in the book.

The trick, and hardest part, is taking the awareness and the practice repetitions and being able to apply them in game situations at game speed Good teams and players clear this performance hurdle, the rest never do. Last LV staff never did.

I had hoped KJH would have had a better start on it than what's showed on court recently, but I still think she deserves some time, and possibly some more highly skilled players able to develop the needed skills.
I think four seasons is a good benchmark. We need a signature win this season, which could realistically be TAM. We should have beaten KY and Texas. We were a younger, less experienced team then, though.
 
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Call my crazy, but I continue to see demonstrative, encouraging signs of growth for our Ladies in Orange, White, and Blue, and very sadly for Thursday night’s game, Black. God’s continued Strength and Blessings to all involved.
________________________________

So, we have ourselves a turnover problem. Given the particular circumstances and personnel makeup of our team - the graduated and transferred players; the new coaching staff, the inexperience, the competition, Zaay Green’s injury - no one should be all that surprised.
And, there is a dedicated post about a particular player - Rae Burrell - who is mentioned at some length below, but this being a little sensitive, I’m posting it here so as not to contaminate the scene there. So, just an observation from the Mississippi State game, about a special player - Rae Burrell.

Rae is a really talented player and we are nearing tournament time wherein we will be hard-pressed to win without her.
I remember a player from just after the most recent Title teams who would get the ball and shoot. *Yes, we all know who she is, but that’s of no importance here, and, why I’m posting this here.* She could hit shots from 22-ft, or drive down the right side (always the right) and shoot. Oh, she could really shoot.
So, what could possibly go wrong?
Several fans (onliners just like us) began to complain that she was negatively affecting team chemistry, and they were attacked by her supporters (it seemed about fifty-fifty).
Bottom line, Pat loved and tolerated the shooter. From what I know she’s a lovely person, and doesn’t strike me as selfish. But the opinions of my few acquaintances who followed the Lady Vols at that time were unanimously hostile. It went back and forth on the forum, neither side giving an inch.
Things changed rather drastically, however, when one of her teammates spoke up, (paraphrasing) “For us to be successful, we need to share the ball.” I don’t want to open old wounds or awaken grudges for any of you who might have participated on either side of those debates. But, setting aside what any of us online experts might have thought or said, there was an unmistakable tension.
Anyhow, she actually made it for awhile in the WNBA, in fact, she might still be there or playing overseas. So, a highly-talented player, but one who, fair or not, many considered selfish.

I think that Rae can be amazing, and I do not think she’s selfish! In fact, I actually recall a nice assist to Jessie during the game in which Jessie went off for five threes. And, I remember a long, open-court fast break, bounce pass from Rae for a layup that, to me was the highlight of the European games. Oh, and those behind-the-back fast break feeds we recently witnessed? So, I do not see selfish when Rae has the ball. I see incredible hustle and great playmaking skills, but quite often, a lack of consistent, clear court vision. There are near-countless players who do not possess that most-important trait, and it’s a skill more difficult to acquire (and maintain) than it might appear. Players that do not develop this trait early, often make incredible passes or have entire games with no turnovers, only to revert back to old habits during the heat of battle. I simply cannot imagine that this problem is not being addressed daily in full team, and individual practices. And, I expect we’ll see improvement at LSU. However, not for the entire game. It just works that way. It (turnovers) is a habit. When’s the last time you tried to break one?
Anyhow, I trust in our Staff’s ability, and in Rae’s desire to get better.
Cheers!
I agree, but sometimes she tries to do too much, which is better than not trying to do enough. Still, she needs to better involve teammates because sometimes she’s full steam in the transition game, and can only see the basket. She’s a terrific player, though.
 
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Sorry for the oversimplification, butt why is it sooo hard to see! UT does not currently have the players. And until we start winning some recruiting battles, it AINT gonna get much better. We can discuss ALL the other stuff, but we need players!
Couldn't argue that, always need players. I guess the question is whether there are currently enough players here who can be developed into the players we need or do we have to wait for recruits. And how far can the developable we have now take us?

IMO we have a pretty developable and very young core in Davis, Jaz (both are already on the good development trail) Horston, Burrell, Key and add Green. This core minus Green consistently beats cupcakes, SEC bottomfeeders and the occasional SEC middler. That's a big improvement over previous seasons. Can't even scare an elite yet though. Realistically that will probably take an off season of development plus some reinforcements - most notably a backup pg and reliable back up post.

Development of current roster is definitely an unknown, especially around here. Feels like we're on the right trajectory tho.
 
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Call my crazy, but I continue to see demonstrative, encouraging signs of growth for our Ladies in Orange, White, and Blue, and very sadly for Thursday night’s game, Black. God’s continued Strength and Blessings to all involved.
________________________________

So, we have ourselves a turnover problem. Given the particular circumstances and personnel makeup of our team - the graduated and transferred players; the new coaching staff, the inexperience, the competition, Zaay Green’s injury - no one should be all that surprised.
And, there is a dedicated post about a particular player - Rae Burrell - who is mentioned at some length below, but this being a little sensitive, I’m posting it here so as not to contaminate the scene there. So, just an observation from the Mississippi State game, about a special player - Rae Burrell.

Rae is a really talented player and we are nearing tournament time wherein we will be hard-pressed to win without her.
I remember a player from just after the most recent Title teams who would get the ball and shoot. *Yes, we all know who she is, but that’s of no importance here, and, why I’m posting this here.* She could hit shots from 22-ft, or drive down the right side (always the right) and shoot. Oh, she could really shoot.
So, what could possibly go wrong?
Several fans (onliners just like us) began to complain that she was negatively affecting team chemistry, and they were attacked by her supporters (it seemed about fifty-fifty).
Bottom line, Pat loved and tolerated the shooter. From what I know she’s a lovely person, and doesn’t strike me as selfish. But the opinions of my few acquaintances who followed the Lady Vols at that time were unanimously hostile. It went back and forth on the forum, neither side giving an inch.
Things changed rather drastically, however, when one of her teammates spoke up, (paraphrasing) “For us to be successful, we need to share the ball.” I don’t want to open old wounds or awaken grudges for any of you who might have participated on either side of those debates. But, setting aside what any of us online experts might have thought or said, there was an unmistakable tension.
Anyhow, she actually made it for awhile in the WNBA, in fact, she might still be there or playing overseas. So, a highly-talented player, but one who, fair or not, many considered selfish.

I think that Rae can be amazing, and I do not think she’s selfish! In fact, I actually recall a nice assist to Jessie during the game in which Jessie went off for five threes. And, I remember a long, open-court fast break, bounce pass from Rae for a layup that, to me was the highlight of the European games. Oh, and those behind-the-back fast break feeds we recently witnessed? So, I do not see selfish when Rae has the ball. I see incredible hustle and great playmaking skills, but quite often, a lack of consistent, clear court vision. There are near-countless players who do not possess that most-important trait, and it’s a skill more difficult to acquire (and maintain) than it might appear. Players that do not develop this trait early, often make incredible passes or have entire games with no turnovers, only to revert back to old habits during the heat of battle. I simply cannot imagine that this problem is not being addressed daily in full team, and individual practices. And, I expect we’ll see improvement at LSU. However, not for the entire game. It just works that way. It (turnovers) is a habit. When’s the last time you tried to break one?
Anyhow, I trust in our Staff’s ability, and in Rae’s desire to get better.
Cheers!
We had TO problems with Zay early in season, we have lost every game because of stupid, repetitively stupid, turnovers. I am not sure why coaches aren't slowing team down, or benching, but it is past point to stop the bleeding. We have played a weak schedule, maybe that had hurt us, but coaches have to find away to stop it, even if we never fast break, and rely on defense and our rebounding. Turnovers are on players, but stopping them are on team. Maybe we slow down, get Saunders more minutes, and work to feed our post. The stupid telegraphed passes outside the 3 point line are asinine Why not play good D, and if the fast basket isnt there, play half court ball? I haven't seen a more athletic team, maybe SC, than us, but we give away possessions. I am being to wonder if Kellie really has this team under control.
 
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I am being to wonder if Kellie really has this team under control.
You can stop wondering. Harper has control of the program and the respect of the players.

What she doesn’t have is the luxury to attempt to solve the turnover problem by benching the players who commit multiple turnovers. Even if she benched ONLY the top one or two players with the most turnovers, who does she have on the bench to replace them and be a major improvement in speed and ballhandling? Seriously... who?

This season is, always has been from the start, and will continue to be until it’s over, a period of adjustment in the program due to massive changes in leadership AND player personnel. It’s time for people to stop trying so hard to declare the new leadership as having failed when they have actually done a fantastic job in so many areas.

Let’s try to save our worry until enough time has gone by to have enough information to make fair judgements. This time next year, maybe? Or maybe by Christmas break next season??? :)
 
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Ten make the Wooden finalists, right? I think she could possibly make the final team. Even if she doesn't, I suspect she'll finish ahead of two of the three UConn players on the list...
If they don't want to consider stats or experience or best player on a team then I guess she would be on there otherwise don't see it happening. Of course they may not consider anything has happened before.
 
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Yeah, like you really nailed the top freshman post player...
I guess some of your post have rubbed off on me and I was thinking like you on that one. I was thinking who would Darth pick? She is the best in the SEC this season maybe in the nation. I still think Key has as much upside as she does with added strength and conditioning.
 
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You can stop wondering. Harper has control of the program and the respect of the players.

What she doesn’t have is the luxury to attempt to solve the turnover problem by benching the players who commit multiple turnovers. Even if she benched ONLY the top one or two players with the most turnovers, who does she have on the bench to replace them and be a major improvement in speed and ballhandling? Seriously... who?

This season is, always has been from the start, and will continue to be until it’s over, a period of adjustment in the program due to massive changes in leadership AND player personnel. It’s time for people to stop trying so hard to declare the new leadership as having failed when they have actually done a fantastic job in so many areas.

Let’s try to save our worry until enough time has gone by to have enough information to make fair judgements. This time next year, maybe? Or maybe by Christmas break next season??? :)
So true, except we sure have given the football coach a lot of time, why not our women’s basketball Coach? Kellie’s first full recruitment season is 2021, and those players should be acclimated in their Sophomore season. Plus, it takes more than one or two recruiting years, freshmen still play like freshmen. We have a fantastic Coach, give her time to work her magic. 🙂
 

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