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America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
Claire Wolfe

There are many people, especially if you are of a more conservative mind, that are starting to believe the "system" really is taking on more water than the bilge pump is ever going to get out. There's already been a thread with a lot of discussion basically pointing out that the choices for many aren't so much choices as being forced to drink small amounts of poison to ward off a more fatal disease.

So, can we really FIX this thing or, as the quote implies, the system is already collapsing on itself and there's nothing to do but try to keep it from all collapsing at once and have your rifles sighted in correctly when the time comes?
 
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No system is perfect, but I strongly believe that our governmental / economic system is the best in the world.

I think that most of the general population is either too dumb or just too apathetic to force actual change. Real change won't come until more people take the time to educate themselves on important issues so that they can make educated decisions for themselves. Until then people will continue to vote for the same type of politicians for whatever reason that they always have.
 
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Real change wont happen until the people of America realize they have to sacrifice to make things better.
 
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MontereyVol said:
Real change wont happen until the people of America realize they have to sacrifice to make things better.
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sacrifice what exactly? How is giving things up going to help the American people?

On the original question, I don't think it's ready to collapse yet but close. What it will take are a group of very smart Americans to band together and stand up for what needs to be done. Unfortunately today those types do not enter public service so we may be screwed.
 
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Actually sacrificing may be a bad way of stating it. Americans will need to start getting better prepared for the future than what we are doing now. Waiting around for the government to fix the problems while we sit around complaining they are intruding on our rights isnt going to work if you want to stay the big dog on the world scene.
 
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hndog609 said:
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
Claire Wolfe

There are many people, especially if you are of a more conservative mind, that are starting to believe the "system" really is taking on more water than the bilge pump is ever going to get out. There's already been a thread with a lot of discussion basically pointing out that the choices for many aren't so much choices as being forced to drink small amounts of poison to ward off a more fatal disease.

So, can we really FIX this thing or, as the quote implies, the system is already collapsing on itself and there's nothing to do but try to keep it from all collapsing at once and have your rifles sighted in correctly when the time comes?
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There is nothing we can do. And as long as you have enough Republicans out there that would chose to drink the poison to prolong the inevitable, then that is never going to change.
 
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hndog609 said:
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
Claire Wolfe
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Claire Wolfe from "Don't shoot the Bastards, Yet, 101 more ways to salvage Freedom"? Good books, that series. She makes good points in her writing, though some of it may be too alarmist for the here and now. Your lead in quote says it bet. We're a good 30 years short of armed rebellion, in my opinion.

Not that we aren't in need of such now, because we may or may not be. I get irate at those eating "govmit cheese" with kids wearing $150 sneakers while i work 60 hours a week to cover the mortgage and bills, and am likewise irate with the class that cries crocodile tears while pretending to care about the common man.

As Jefferson said, "Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."

Sic Semper Tyrannis
 
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"Our Country won't go on forever, if we stay soft as we are now. There won't
be any AMERICA because some foreign soldiery will invade us and take our
women and breed a hardier race!"
-Lt. Gen. Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller, USMC
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
"Our Country won't go on forever, if we stay soft as we are now. There won't
be any AMERICA because some foreign soldiery will invade us and take our
women and breed a hardier race!"
-Lt. Gen. Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller, USMC
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The man has quoted Chesty Puller.... you are my new hero OE. For those who dont know... Chesty Puller was hands down the finest military leader of the 20th century with the war record to prove it.
 
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If nothing else we've pulled up a few other interesting quotes. :)

PJ touched on something that I think about from time to time, that being it seems the type of person(s) many people want in public office simply aren't interested in the job.
 
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hndog609 said:
If nothing else we've pulled up a few other interesting quotes. :)

PJ touched on something that I think about from time to time, that being it seems the type of person(s) many people want in public office simply aren't interested in the job.
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Not many engineers in congress and only a handful of doctors...
 
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CovVol said:
The man has quoted Chesty Puller.... you are my new hero OE. For those who dont know... Chesty Puller was hands down the finest military leader of the 20th century with the war record to prove it.
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I'm Partial to "Jumping" Jim Gavin, personally.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
I'm Partial to "Jumping" Jim Gavin, personally.
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Interesting fellow... any decent books written about him? Seriously... I'm a military history fanatic. Looks like "Jumping" Jim and "Chesty" Puller have a whole lot of similarities with rank, service times, leadership style, etc.
 
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America won't change until Americans (in general) begin to accept responsibility and consequences for their individuals actions.
 
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CovVol said:
Interesting fellow... any decent books written about him? Seriously... I'm a military history fanatic. Looks like "Jumping" Jim and "Chesty" Puller have a whole lot of similarities with rank, service times, leadership style, etc.
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Here's one, also the Cornelius Ryan books The Longest Day and A Bridge Too Far detail some of his combat exploits.

When my grandfather landed in Normandy, one of the first Americans he found was Gavin, along with a smattering of his staff and a few other misdropped guys. He never had anything questionable to say about any of the 82nds commanders, but for his whole life he praised Gavin for his balls and connection to the men in the ranks.
 
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VolinArizona said:
America won't change until Americans (in general) begin to accept responsibility and consequences for their individuals actions.
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Thats why Libertarianism is a great concept but impossible to execute. Personal accountability is something lots of people preach about, but relatively few are willing to take care of themselves entirely.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
Thats why Libertarianism is a great concept but impossible to execute. Personal accountability is something lots of people preach about, but relatively few are willing to take care of themselves entirely.
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I agree with VIA's statement and your take on it but in applying it to the original concept, are we simply past that point? I mean, is this the quote that's coming to pass?

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."
Alexander Tyler
 
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hndog609 said:
I agree with VIA's statement and your take on it but in applying it to the original concept, are we simply past that point? I mean, is this the quote that's coming to pass?

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."
Alexander Tyler
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:salute:
 
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JTrainDavis said:
Here's one, also the Cornelius Ryan books The Longest Day and A Bridge Too Far detail some of his combat exploits.

When my grandfather landed in Normandy, one of the first Americans he found was Gavin, along with a smattering of his staff and a few other misdropped guys. He never had anything questionable to say about any of the 82nds commanders, but for his whole life he praised Gavin for his balls and connection to the men in the ranks.
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Thanks JTrain... Im always up to reading up on these guys. No finer men have lived on this planet than guys like these.
 
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