HighWaterVol
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I remember when we were a top tier program to. Then we started firing & hiring coaches & hit rock bottom. Butch has brought in better athletes & we are starting to WIN again. Do you really want to start over?When we were looking for a "top tier" coach 4 years ago the talent was depleted. Now I think some coaches with better experience (than Butch) would at least listen - there is talent on the roster now. Of course this would assume we had an AD that would talk to them. Also, financially we would need some boosters to support large donations to cover some of the buyout of Jones. This fan base is starving, yes maybe we are somewhat irrational at times, but many of us remember when Tennessee was a top tier program.
I remember when we were a top tier program to. Then we started firing & hiring coaches & hit rock bottom. Butch has brought in better athletes & we are starting to WIN again. Do you really want to start over?
Yes. Fire him.
There are coaches who would win 8-9 or better. I'd risk it. We've got a mediocre coach. I'll take the chance I could find a better option. 5-6 million a year talks. Nut up and stop accepting mediocre.
JMO
Saban, Meyer, Stoops, Kelly or even Gruden?
We can win 9 games for the second year in a row (69% of games) vs 68% historical average
We play a top 5 schedule every year that includes teams like Alabama, Florida, USCe, and Georgia (teams that have more SEC instate recruits than us)
We have an irrational fanbase that would fire the Pope if he didn't cover the point spread out of pity vs Holy Cross for the Blind
Did I mention that we don't have an AD?
So do you guys really think we should be talking about firing a coach that will have as many wins this year as every other SEC team not named Alabama?
Absolutely NONE!! LSu with one of the best recruiting bases in existence couldn't get what they wanted.
The problem is they went after a guy, Jimbo, who is already at an established school with his players and the program in his image, that was never going to happen.
I believe if Texas hadn't fired Strong then Herman would've been LSU's new coach, but that dude wasn't gonna leave the state of Texas with the Texas job open, so that was just bad timing for LSU on that part.
As for us, I'll continue to say it, Les Miles, as of right now, at this very moment he is the ONLY top tier coach who would consider an offer from us. Other than that we'd be aiming for another up and comer and hope he's the next Pearl, at least in production and not in violations.
Dude you have no idea who would or wouldn't consider an offer from UT. You are speculating.
Yeah that's true, I'm not sure who would consider an offer from us, but at this moment, Miles is the safe bet.
No buyout for him, no real baggage at the moment, but if we're really being honest here, Miles is the only option at the moment that would save and make the program money at the same time.
I mean you're not gonna pull any coach from an established school unless there's been some history of him being unhappy at his current location.
Plus we'd have to spend a lot probably to get a coach from an established school, if that were the route that the program would take.
But Miles might come in a bit cheaper, I mean who could coach here, in the SEC again, or he could go to Purdue...........
I don't get why the Les Miles bandwagon has so many passengers.
From year four on at LSU, the teams that he completely recruited, he lost at least three conference games five of ten seasons. He won the west once in 10 years. Butch might win one if you give him 10 years.
Plus, he's 63 years old. You want the guy to get established and then retire?
I don't get why the Les Miles bandwagon has so many passengers.
From year four on at LSU, the teams that he completely recruited, he lost at least three conference games five of ten seasons. He won the west once in 10 years. Butch might win one if you give him 10 years.
Plus, he's 63 years old. You want the guy to get established and then retire?
Lets take a look at that shall we.
LSU Tigers (Southeastern Conference) (20052016)
2005 LSU 112 71 1st (Western) W Peach 5 6
2006 LSU 112 62 T2nd (Western) W Sugar 3 3
2007 LSU 122 62 1st (Western) W BCS NCG 1 1
2008 LSU 85 35 3rd (Western) W Chick-fil-A
2009 LSU 94 53 2nd (Western) L Capital One 17 17
2010 LSU 112 62 T2nd (Western) W Cotton 8 8
2011 LSU 131 80 1st (Western) L BCS NCG 2 2
2012 LSU 103 62 T2nd (Western) L Chick-fil-A 12 13
2013 LSU 103 53 3rd (Western) W Outback 14 14
2014 LSU 85 44 T4th (Western) L Music City
2015 LSU 93 53 T3rd (Western) W Texas 17 16
2016 LSU 22 11 (Western)
So, from year four on, he lost 3 or more games, 5 times, won the west three times, won a NC and went back to one with his own recruits, since I know someone will say that those were Saban's players. He sustained momentum after Saban left, he only had two seasons with less than 9 wins, even then he rebounded the next year with a 9 win season, and then the following seasons he had 10 wins or more.
So overall the man can obviously coach, now whether he still has the desire to or not is a different story, but it takes a good coach to keep the momentum of a program going.
How many other teams are beating Bama and Florida?0-4 against Alabama
0-8 against SEC west
5-20 against ranked teams
2-2 against Vanderbilt
1-3 against Florida
2-2 against Georgia
This year against Vandy, over 600 total yards, over 400 yards passing (a record for Shurmur who never had a 300 yard passing game), most points scored against Tennessee since 1923.
Yes, its time to start over. Should we just continue to accept mediocre results and not beating our main rivals on a consistent basis? How many more losses to Bama should we put up with? How many more gifts to Florida should we have to live with?