What makes a good coach? Fire Fulmer, Chavis, Cutcliffe..why?

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Of course here we go with the typical "fire the coach" threads so I began thinking of what really makes a good coach.

It'd be nice to have intelligent banter on the matter.

My thoughts are that Fulmer puts the fear into nobody that plays him. He gives the impression that he's always hoping to win instead of expecting to win and typically I would say that he's won as much as he has mainly on talent alone.

What made Bear Bryant such a great coach or is that folklore? What makes Spurrier a great coach or is that folklore?

Thoughts?
 
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Interesting stat I saw tonight about Ainge. He has a 17-6 record as a starter and they pointed out that he was 9-1 on the road meaning he is 8-5 at home...that is HUGE problem...nobody fears coming into Neyland anymore like they used too...that's all on the coaches...love it or hate it...
 
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to me, the more important question is who would replace him?

i mean it seems to me you cannot just want to fire someone without having a likely replacement. and then, that is when we are in a position to judget he merits of the replacement.

that is why i started the thread about a likely replacement.
 
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A good coach to me is able to bring the players in, but more importantly than that, prepare them in practice before the games, prepare gameplans that give them the best opportunity to win, and is able to adjust during the game to what the other team is doing. A good coach realizes the situation he is in, and knows the right play to call. A good coach to me is also aggressive, not stupidly so, but also is not so afraid to look bad as to punt the ball when you are down 14 with less than 2 minutes to play.

Bear Bryant teams, although I was not old enough to watch them live, were very tough, hard-nosed fundamental football teams that brought it play after play. You can see where the teams took on the personality of their coach.

Spurrier was great because he was always on the attack... aggressive and innovative. He had a swagger about him that his team took to the field. He kept his opponents reeling, and afraid of him. Let's face it, when you played a Spurrier coached Florida team, you almost expected to lose.
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
Interesting stat I saw tonight about Ainge. He has a 17-6 record as a starter and they pointed out that he was 9-1 on the road meaning he is 8-5 at home...that is HUGE problem...nobody fears coming into Neyland anymore like they used too...that's all on the coaches...love it or hate it...
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i was lookin at the exact same thing... neyland is no more a threat to visitin teams... cal was intimidated last time becoz of the crowd but then SEC teams are used to it and EA with that bad home record needs to do somethin...
 
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Reverend Bubba Flavel said:
to me, the more important question is who would replace him?

i mean it seems to me you cannot just want to fire someone without having a likely replacement. and then, that is when we are in a position to judget he merits of the replacement.

that is why i started the thread about a likely replacement.
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Maybe the new Falcons coach won't enjoy the NFL.
 
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Spurrier was great because he was always on the attack... aggressive and innovative. He had a swagger about him that his team took to the field. He kept his opponents reeling, and afraid of him. Let's face it, when you played a Spurrier coached Florida team, you almost expected to lose.
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Exactly! Very well said and I agree. One does not get any of this with a Tennessee team. Spurrier basically seemed to make fun of Tennessee when he played them. He had NO fear of the Vols yet the Vols seemed to always go into the game hoping to win instead of expecting to win.

It's like Miami when they were in their heyday...everybody feared them. So the question is begged...what causes this? Swagger from the coach only or his prowess as a play caller. Does Urban Meyer have this at Florida now do you think?

It's a rare thing.
 
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We lost at Cal because the defense and special teams weren't playing worth a crap!! End of story...
 
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What makes Spurrier a great coach or is that folklore?


Spurrier is 1) audacious, 2) smart, and 3) unpredictable. I haven't seen any signs that our coaches aren't smart, but he's beaten them for years with the other 2. He'd fake a punt on 4th & 30 just to let you know you'd better be ready for a fake on 4th & 8. The other side doesn't know if you're bluffing or not, unless you never bluff.

If I were a coach, I'd ask myself, "What would Spurrier do?" a few times a game. I'd get my butt handed to me occasionally, but I'd keep defenses honest. We could have done with some of that tonight.
 
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Jasongivm6 said:
Maybe the new Falcons coach won't enjoy the NFL.
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maybe - but i doubt it after one year.

and to me that is the whole point. its too easy to slam fulmer as against the entire coaching world. who is likely to replace him? if its just boots donnely than obviously we should stick with phil. if its pete carroll, than we should change.

to me, firing phil is not an option unless there is someone clearly better that is likely to sign on on in knoxville.
 
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We've had some serious problems on D for at least 3 seasons now. I know CPF and CJC have a close relationship, but he has to finally come down hard on him.
 
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We lost at Cal because the defense and special teams weren't playing worth a crap!! End of story...
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Fair enough..then I'll ask this:

When's the last time ( or how often ) Spurriers team ( with equal talent ) or Urban Meyers team ( with equal talent ) lost a game "because the defense and special teams weren't playing worth a crap!!" ???

And to the other poster....hey........don't knock Boots Donnelly. He's the best coach MTSU ever had and if he had gotten a chance somewhere like UT he may very well have turned out like Ohio States coach who used to coach ( unless I'm mistaken ) the mighty Akron Zips 1-AA team.
 
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All-Vol said:
Fair enough..then I'll ask this:

When's the last time ( or how often ) Spurriers team ( with equal talent ) or Urban Meyers team ( with equal talent ) lost a game "because the defense and special teams weren't playing worth a crap!!" ???

And to the other poster....hey........don't knock Boots Donnelly. He's the best coach MTSU ever had and if he had gotten a chance somewhere like UT he may very well have turned out like Ohio States coach who used to coach ( unless I'm mistaken ) the mighty Akron Zips 1-AA team.
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Spurrier and Meyers are both offensive coaches. Spurrier hasn't had a glowing record at Gamecock land (does that invoke the elusive equal talent clause?). Meyers is coming off of a national title year but is now moving into his true spread option era and lost a bunch of offensive and defensive talent from last year so we'll see if that works. If your defense allows tailbacks and receivers to run wild and can't tackle anything moving then you will have trouble winning any game.
 
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You're kidding yourself if you don't think Meyer's offense is going to wreak havoc on the SEC. He has given me no reason to doubt him.

A national title in his second year? Combined with a couple of top rated recruiting classes? 2-0 against the VOLs?

He's going to own our ass, as much as that pains me to say.
 
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General Jack said:
You're kidding yourself if you don't think Meyer's offense is going to wreak havoc on the SEC. He has given me no reason to doubt him.

A national title in his second year? Combined with a couple of top rated recruiting classes? 2-0 against the VOLs?

He's going to own our ass, as much as that pains me to say.
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So your solution is........?
 
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VolsWinRLose said:
I'd get my butt handed to me occasionally
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More like "usually". Then the VN boards would knee jerk for your replacement. The same mentality that criticized Fulmer for "getting Eric Ainge hurt" when he called a pass play against ND, then criticizes him for punting with 1:30 to go tonight.

OTOH, the $2M salary for a 1/2 year would be worth it. :yes:
 
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Reverend Bubba Flavel said:
...to me, firing phil is not an option unless there is someone clearly better that is likely to sign on on in knoxville.
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I've heard this argument for awhile now. Getting rid of Phil is going to be like quitting smoking. It will hurt initially but in the long run the Vols will be better off for it. UTK may have to have its own Zook/Goff before it gets its Meyer/Richt. I fail to see the problem with this.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Way to throw the players under the bus. I see you have learned from the Phillipotomus.


I've heard this argument for awhile now. Getting rid of Phil is going to be like quitting smoking. It will hurt initially but in the long run the Vols will be better off for it. UTK may have to have its own Zook/Goff before it gets its Meyer/Richt. I fail to see the problem with this.
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I say we wait until we have the big fish landed before we fire Fulmer. I don't want to go through 3,4,5 years of Goff or Zook-dom. I'd rather suffer through the aggrevation of 8-4, 9-3 seasons than the embarrasment of worse years under some hack coach.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Way to throw the players under the bus. I see you have learned from the Phillipotomus.


I've heard this argument for awhile now. Getting rid of Phil is going to be like quitting smoking. It will hurt initially but in the long run the Vols will be better off for it. UTK may have to have its own Zook/Goff before it gets its Meyer/Richt. I fail to see the problem with this.
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Who said it's exclusively the players fault when the defense and special teams play like crap? Could there possibly be a coaching responsibility involved?
 
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If the recruiting experts know what they're talking about, its not a lack of talent we suffer from. Its getting the most from that talent - which does fall squarely on development, schemes and gameplans from the coaches
 
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