What is Success?

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This is a question I ask myself at the end of each of TN's basketball seasons. In my mind it's a fluid expectation - I didn't have the same expectations during the Buzz Peterson years that I have now or during the Pearl years. Where I currently land is that I consider the season a success if TN wins something (SEC regular season or tournament) or makes a run in the NCAAT. It's not exactly rational, but the Duke win made this season a success for me even though it's just one game - we made the Sweet 16 when I didn't expect them to. Last season was a success to me because we won the SECT. The 2017-18 season was a success because we won a share of the regular season title. Although you'd probably have to consider the 2018-19 season a success with the team going 30-6 and being ranked #1 for the longest stretch in program history, I didn't feel as good about it because they didn't win anything at the end of the day and didn't make it past the Sweet 16. On the flip side, Bruce Pearl's first year felt like a huge success even though we didn't win anything and lost in the second round of the NCAAT. I guess it's similar to the key to a successful marriage . . . realistic expectations. What is success to you?
 
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I want to get to the second weekend. That's success for this year and this team. It has to be judged on a team by team basis but also over the long haul. We should make 4 out of 5 NCAAs, and advance to the sweet 16 or beyond at least once every few years with the investment that has been made in the basketball program post Buzz Peterson. Problems come when highly talented teams flame out early or underachieve like Cuonzo did each year he was here before the surprise Sweet 16. It would be nice to play to our seeding, which honestly almost never happens.
 
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It may not be what you expect or what realistically should happen but with the talent this team has an Elite 8 should be the floor. But i will be disappointed if its not our first Final Four. The bracket has opened up to be not as tough as it looked like when it came out. Of the other three teams in NY neither is a push over. But we have played much better teams and won. FIngers crossed this is the year.
 
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It may not be what you expect or what realistically should happen but with the talent this team has an Elite 8 should be the floor. But i will be disappointed if its not our first Final Four. The bracket has opened up to be not as tough as it looked like when it came out. Of the other three teams in NY neither is a push over. But we have played much better teams and won. FIngers crossed this is the year.

You're right. That's an unrealistic expectation with the talent this team has. Especially without Zeigler. The floor? Good Lord.
 
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Its about exceeding expectations and building towards a program that is capable of winning the national championship. Each year you are looking to build on the last and push the envelope a little bit further.

Right now we have a program consistently capable of competing for SEC championships and getting to the Rd of 32. But not many take us seriously as championship contenders. Even Barnes best teams never made it past the sweet 16. So despite falling short of season expectations (largely due to injuries), we could still push expectations with a win this Thursday.
 
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You're right. That's an unrealistic expectation with the talent this team has. Especially without Zeigler. The floor? Good Lord.
If they dont get past FAU i will call this tourney a disappointment. You shouldn't lose to a team like that. Our bigs should own the boards. And our defensive pressure should disrupt their offense. Its not going to be a cake walk. But it should be a comfortable win.
 
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If they dont get past FAU i will call this tourney a disappointment. You shouldn't lose to a team like that. Our bigs should own the boards. And our defensive pressure should disrupt their offense. Its not going to be a cake walk. But it should be a comfortable win.

While I understand your premise but FAU has athletic guards that push the tempo. As a result, they have only lost three games. One could argue that they are more athletic than TN. We should win and I give the edge to our Vols, but a loss wouldn’t surprise me as FAU is a talented yet unknown team.
 
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If they dont get past FAU i will call this tourney a disappointment. You shouldn't lose to a team like that. Our bigs should own the boards. And our defensive pressure should disrupt their offense. Its not going to be a cake walk. But it should be a comfortable win.
That and I think ON, JJJ and Phillips present major matchup problems for them.
 
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You're right. That's an unrealistic expectation with the talent this team has. Especially without Zeigler. The floor? Good Lord.

It's not unrealistic to make the elite 8 from this point. My biggest fear is that an opposing coach is going to see that we have trouble getting the ball across the line under heavy pressure. If they make the elite 8 there is no team there they can't beat with a good game.
 
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You're right. That's an unrealistic expectation with the talent this team has. Especially without Zeigler. The floor? Good Lord.
In his defense, maybe he’s just saying that knowing what we know now elite 8 should be the floor. We are more talented than FAU. It won’t be an easy game, but it’d be pretty disappointing to not beat them
 
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This is a question I ask myself at the end of each of TN's basketball seasons. In my mind it's a fluid expectation - I didn't have the same expectations during the Buzz Peterson years that I have now or during the Pearl years. Where I currently land is that I consider the season a success if TN wins something (SEC regular season or tournament) or makes a run in the NCAAT. It's not exactly rational, but the Duke win made this season a success for me even though it's just one game - we made the Sweet 16 when I didn't expect them to. Last season was a success to me because we won the SECT. The 2017-18 season was a success because we won a share of the regular season title. Although you'd probably have to consider the 2018-19 season a success with the team going 30-6 and being ranked #1 for the longest stretch in program history, I didn't feel as good about it because they didn't win anything at the end of the day and didn't make it past the Sweet 16. On the flip side, Bruce Pearl's first year felt like a huge success even though we didn't win anything and lost in the second round of the NCAAT. I guess it's similar to the key to a successful marriage . . . realistic expectations. What is success to you?

I feel like you must follow me somehow. I just spoke at length about this.

I think success is achieving your goal. Period.

However, I think that realistic expectations determined realistic goals.

Sure, every team wants to win it all, but that's unrealistic for most.

Fluidity is indeed a factor.

Let's try and tack that.

I think year in and year out, the benchmark for every program is the NCAA Tournament. You go down or up from there.

For a program and staff that is inheriting a dumpster fire or program that doesn't have a history of making it to the tournament, improvement from there but not achieving the tournament is a success in the beginning. You have about 3 years at most places until not reaching that benchmark is considered a failure.

Once you establish a history of being in the tournament, the Sweet 16 is the next realistic goal. I think going to the Sweet 16 every 3 years since 2010 or perhaps before I think has been a mark of success for Tennessee Basketball.

At this point, I think that you have to look at the level of success. That lends itself to whether or not it is realistic to raise the benchmark. I think a team that is in the Sweet 16 every 3 years that recruits well, has a stable program and the same coaches has justification to raise the bar to an increase to an NCAA Tourney appearance every year, Sweet 16 every 2 years and an Elite 8 every 4 years.

That said, I truly believe if Tennessee doesn't reach the Sweet 16 every 2 years following this year, it is a failure. Great success is The Elite 8 every 4 and anything beyond that is unrealistic to expect at this juncture.

For other teams, well you just have to look at where they are vs where they have been and how that applies to this roadmap.

One thing I want to bring up with Barnes is how well we are competing in a league that is far better than it was when any of his predecessors were coaching.
 
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If they dont get past FAU i will call this tourney a disappointment. You shouldn't lose to a team like that. Our bigs should own the boards. And our defensive pressure should disrupt their offense. Its not going to be a cake walk. But it should be a comfortable win.

You can call it what you want. It's the 9th Sweet 16 appearance in UT history. We've had 1 Elite 8 appearance. If your definition of successful has happened one time ever, you're gonna be pretty miserable.
 
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In his defense, maybe he’s just saying that knowing what we know now elite 8 should be the floor. We are more talented than FAU. It won’t be an easy game, but it’d be pretty disappointing to not beat them

I'll be disappointed in the outcome of that game, but not in the season overall. We didn't expect to beat Duke. No one expected Tennessee to beat Duke. But we did. That counts too.
 
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This is a question I ask myself at the end of each of TN's basketball seasons. In my mind it's a fluid expectation - I didn't have the same expectations during the Buzz Peterson years that I have now or during the Pearl years. Where I currently land is that I consider the season a success if TN wins something (SEC regular season or tournament) or makes a run in the NCAAT. It's not exactly rational, but the Duke win made this season a success for me even though it's just one game - we made the Sweet 16 when I didn't expect them to. Last season was a success to me because we won the SECT. The 2017-18 season was a success because we won a share of the regular season title. Although you'd probably have to consider the 2018-19 season a success with the team going 30-6 and being ranked #1 for the longest stretch in program history, I didn't feel as good about it because they didn't win anything at the end of the day and didn't make it past the Sweet 16. On the flip side, Bruce Pearl's first year felt like a huge success even though we didn't win anything and lost in the second round of the NCAAT. I guess it's similar to the key to a successful marriage . . . realistic expectations. What is success to you?

I agree with all that you said. I would be disappointed if we lose on Thursday, but we beat a lot of good teams and made it to the Sweet Sixteen.
 
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I agree with what others have said. Beating Duke and making it to the Sweet 16, despite losing ZZ right at the end of the regular season, feels like we've over-achieved. So you can make the argument that it's already been a success.

But now that we have made it this far, we have what appears to be a favorable match-up, so losing would be very disappointing. Enough to turn an already successful season into a NOT successful season? I don't think so.
 
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IMO, a win Thursday night seals this as a VERY successful season regardless of what follows. Go 3-1 in the tournament with a win over Duke and an appearance in the Elite Eight which equals best in school history should be celebrated as success. A win over FAU also means TN went 5-0 against teams in the Sweet Sixteen on the year, which is pretty darn solid.

A loss Thursday and it’s still a good year but nothing great. Additionally, my “elephant in the room” question remains: Will Rick Barnes ever get TN beyond the SS?
 
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IMO, a win Thursday night seals this as a VERY successful season regardless of what follows. Go 3-1 in the tournament with a win over Duke and an appearance in the Elite Eight which equals best in school history should be celebrated as success. A win over FAU also means TN went 5-0 against teams in the Sweet Sixteen on the year, which is pretty darn solid.

A loss Thursday and it’s still a good year but nothing great. Additionally, my “elephant in the room” question remains: Will Rick Barnes ever get TN beyond the SS?
Lmao, a Top 5 season in program history is just “good”, got it. Funny how the narrative has quickly changed from can’t make it out of the first weekend to can he make an E8, I’m sure if/when that happens it will quickly turn to “well Pearl did that too, can he actually make a F4”.
 
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You can call it what you want. It's the 9th Sweet 16 appearance in UT history. We've had 1 Elite 8 appearance. If your definition of successful has happened one time ever, you're gonna be pretty miserable.
This isnt about what happened to previous teams. Quit reading so much into what i said. Jesus.
 
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In his defense, maybe he’s just saying that knowing what we know now elite 8 should be the floor. We are more talented than FAU. It won’t be an easy game, but it’d be pretty disappointing to not beat them
Exactly. Some people on here just want to look for any reason to bicker and argue ridiculously all the time
 
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Lmao, a Top 5 season in program history is just “good”, got it. Funny how the narrative has quickly changed from can’t make it out of the first weekend to can he make an E8, I’m sure if/when that happens it will quickly turn to “well Pearl did that too, can he actually make a F4”.

My narrative has never changed when it comes to Rick Barnes. It’s ALWAYS been about can he advance past the SS at TN? I’ve never wavered from that position/question. He’s got another chance to do it Thursday night.
 

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