What if CU hired Butch Jones

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volfan102455 said:
You all drive me crazy. Some of you latch on to the "coach of the day" in the "top 10". Mike MacIntyre head coaching record is 34-50. He won 10 games the first 3 years at CU. The PAC 12 is not the SEC.

It would not matter if Saban was the coach at Tennessee, some of you would still find something to complain about.
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No doubt about it.

Having to continually upgrade the trophy case could get expensive.
 
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jakez4ut said:
which would make sense if everyone else in the conf that played bama only lost to Bama and maybe 1 other game...but that's not happening. everybody in the SEC is losing 2-4 SEC games a year, except you know who.

would the top 3-4 pac 12 schools lose 2-4 games in the SEC? yeah, probably...

so at best...that makes us.... equal? my point is the only difference between the SEC and any other conference right now is....bama.
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Well the LSU team that has been playing since Miles got fired has been one of the best teams in the country and went toe to toe with Alabama and before Ole Miss threw in the towel this year they went toe to toe with them as well. Alabama played one of the PAC-12s best teams and wiped the floor with them worse than they did to us. If you put anyone from that conference in the SEC they would lose to every West(everyone healthy) team except Miss St. I feel like we could beat or hang with every PAC-12 team and Florida would beat almost all of them but other than that the East doesn't have anyone that could really contend except for maybe Georgia and that's a huge maybe from what we've seen the last couple of years. My point is if you stuck the best team from their conference in the SEC West they would probably finish no better than 5th. They could all contend for the East because it is so down but if you put them in the West it would be no contest. The SEC, even though not as great as 5 years ago, still is the class of college football. It may not be by as wide a margin as it once was but they are still the best.
 
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The "other coach" is like the back up QB to some. Always better than what we have. LOL
This site never fails to give me a laugh.
 
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volroadwarrior said:
If someone else was hired instead of Butch the grumps on VN would be calling for his head on this very thread.:mad:
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I am not calling for anyone's head...but I'd argue part of the purpose of Volnation and similiar message boards & forms is to discuss these type of hypotheticals, in addition to vent, celebrate, commiserate, track injury and recruiting updates, along with the current location of Jon Gruden.
 
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VolPack22 said:
Well the LSU team that has been playing since Miles got fired has been one of the best teams in the country and went toe to toe with Alabama and before Ole Miss threw in the towel this year they went toe to toe with them as well. Alabama played one of the PAC-12s best teams and wiped the floor with them worse than they did to us. If you put anyone from that conference in the SEC they would lose to every West(everyone healthy) team except Miss St. I feel like we could beat or hang with every PAC-12 team and Florida would beat almost all of them but other than that the East doesn't have anyone that could really contend except for maybe Georgia and that's a huge maybe from what we've seen the last couple of years. My point is if you stuck the best team from their conference in the SEC West they would probably finish no better than 5th. They could all contend for the East because it is so down but if you put them in the West it would be no contest. The SEC, even though not as great as 5 years ago, still is the class of college football. It may not be by as wide a margin as it once was but they are still the best.
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so going toe to toe with Bama is meaningful?

is that the measuring stick? and Bama wiping the floor with USC is kind of my point........take Bama out of the equation and what does the SEC have to offer, nationally, right now?

you're missing the point. the SEC can still be marginally better than the pac 12 or big 10 or whatever, that doesn't change the fact that there's a pretty big void between Bama and the rest of the league.

so again, do i think if USC or Washington played in the SEC, would they have 2-4 losses? yeah, i do. in the East, 2 losses gets you to ATL, in the West 4 losses may get you 5th.

but what does that matter....really? 2-4 losses is what everybody else does in the SEC....except Bama.

so what does that really prove about the SEC being "better"?

nothing.

the only difference between the SEC and the Pac 12, ACC and Big 10 is Bama.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i'm an SEC homer, but really, aside from Bama, who else in the SEC is really THAT GREAT? FL and LSu can't play offense to save their lives, aTm can't play defense, we can't play defense, Ole Miss's defense and running game are woeful. ARK is average. GA is average. Auburn...above average i guess? and the rest aren't very good.

5 years ago, i'd pound my chest about the SEC and all the quality teams.

but it's devolved in to a league where it's Bama...............gap............and everybody else.

so presently, when we, as SEC fans start chanting SEC, at this point, we might as well be chanting RTR.
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ill 2nd that! Ive always been a proud SEC fan, that always pulls for our SEC teams no matter who they play. But to be honest like you said, the SEC is not what it use to be from top to bottom.
 
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Colorado this season is very comparable to Tennessee, except that their "gauntlet" (four toughest games) got spread out where ours was all concentrated in a four-week period.

They haven't even played the second half of their gauntlet: #22 Washington State and #15 Utah still to go.

Let's talk again after those two games.

I suspect Tennessee and Colorado's regular season records will be pretty much the same at that point: 9-3.

If anything, this season tells me MacIntyre and Butch are roughly on par with each other as rebuilding coaches.
 
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SeahawkVOL94 said:
I bet we wouldn't be worse.
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I bet we would be worse. We had a long long way to come and we have made steady progress toward the goal. Have to remember that Tennessee still does not have the high school players that most of the other states in the SEC and many of those who are D! players came to Tennessee from other States and therefore not Tennessee fans. Also, the “Dooley” years killed much of the desire of Tennessee kids to play at Tennessee. Because of this, it takes a lot of time to build quality depth at places like Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, and Vanderbilt. Even South Carolina produce more D1 players than Tennessee and their players are home-grown rather than transplants.
 
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