What does investigation have to find to out JP

[DeerPark12]

They paid Pearl about a million to get lost.

Essentially, IIRC, the NCAA wanted Pearl under the bus OR UT was going to face issues. UT "did everything right" by the NCAA and Pearl "took the fall" for lying, etc. Pearl took what money we offered to leave the contract and he took all the blame and UT didn't get penalized because the NCAA "accepted" it was all on Pearl, not UT.

As an aside, when it comes to Hugh Freeze. Not only did Ole Miss get sanctions, Freeze.... I believe...... walked away WITHOUT multi-millions. Basically, Ole Miss was elbow deep in the mix with Freeze BUT Freeze must have had BIG BIG personal reasons for walking away from millions.

The phone, hotel and plane records that Ole Miss had and didn't release were damaging enough personally that he didn't even ask for a mitigated buyout. The hooker thing he was caught doing wasn't the only character issue they had on him.

 

[VolRage]

Well, again, you don't actually have to MAKE a bowl to get the bowl revenue share from the SEC. That's my whole point here in saying they won't fire for cause.

The only way you don't get the $8.5 million is if you're ineligible for a bowl due to NCAA or self-imposed penalties. UT gets the money this year, even though we had to drop out of the bowl. We don't get the payout directly from the bowl, but we still get our cut of the revenue sharing.

Yep, forgot about that. I’m not a big fan of the socialism approach the SEC uses to spread bowl money around. If a team hired the right coaches, played well, and won enough games to play in a bowl, they should be able to keep all of their bowl money. Spreading g it around breeds complacency which is where UT stands at the moment.

I could be wrong but I’m of the opinion that UT could stand to lose more money by keeping Pruitt. Of course it does hinge on the concept that they actually care about winning, stop basement bargain shopping, and hire a winner instead of hoping to find that one in a million coach that’s the next Saban. We’ve been in the sewer for 10 plus years now and it’s getting really old which is why many fans want Pruitt gone. It is abundantly clear to the average fan that Pruitt is lost and incapable.

 

[chattavol420]

What kind of backwards, mafia-style thinking is this?

Let's figure out what it would take to get rid of the schmuck, then manufacture (or in this case wish for) just enough bad stuff to come to light to get that job done?

What? Are you seriously taking the first step toward wishing ill on our program just to get rid of a coach you don't like?

Not sure about op but...I absolutely am hoping they find some dirt on him. That way he’d be good and the university wouldn’t have to pay the whole buyout. Personally, I wish we’d have just let him go and paid the buyout already. That would certainly be the more ethical way to do it. Our idiot ad felt the gave him that ridiculous contract (because you know so many other top 15 schools were beating on his door) so he should get it.

But unfortunately fulmer doesn’t have the vision or guts to part with him even with a guy like freeze publicly lobbying for the job. So at this point all we have is to hope enough turns up in the investigation to justify parting with him.

Look I love this school and want to see a great team. That unquestionably means needing a great coach. And we certainly don’t have that. Nobody can argue otherwise. So whatever has to happen to allow us to make a change...I’m on board with.

 

[volpreacher]

What exactly do you guys think the investigation has to find for JP to be fired with cause or at least create a scenario for buyout negotiations?

Get over it. He’s not getting fired

 

[RiverVol]

What kind of backwards, mafia-style thinking is this?

Let's figure out what it would take to get rid of the schmuck, then manufacture (or in this case wish for) just enough bad stuff to come to light to get that job done?

What? Are you seriously taking the first step toward wishing ill on our program just to get rid of a coach you don't like?

Some might say that- wishing Pruitt to stay would be wishing ill on our program. To that end, the coaching and results on game days, the number of athletes in the transfer portal, and the general trajectory of the coach/media relationship would make a fairly strong case... if a person were to say such a thing.

That’s the problem with pointing a finger; it’s easy to point it the wrong direction.

 

[Fatman Photos]

Some might say that- wishing Pruitt to stay would be wishing ill on our program. To that end, the coaching and results on game days, the number of athletes in the transfer portal, and the general trajectory of the coach/media relationship would make a fairly strong case... if a person were to say such a thing.

If I am not mistaken, MOST of the players in the Transfer Portal are Seniors and in a normal year would be gone anyway. Everyone making a big deal about players transferring but when they came here they wasn't expected to stay 10 years anyway. I wish them luck but it now the Next Man Up. Only a few were starters anyway.

 

[ThreatLevelOrange]

Shark Humping
Fake Threats
Shower discipline violations
Helmet Tripping Safety
Locking players in the equipment room
Tearing labels off of mattresses
Using Instant Grits
Jaywalking
etc.

These and many more can drum up charges of show cause!

Orange Pride Hostesses

 

[ThreatLevelOrange]

Fulmer is hiding behind covid because he doesn't want to publicly tie himself to Pruitt, however the damage is already done and I'm almost willing to be Phil isn't AD come next football season

One of the biggest reasons for keeping Pruitt is to save face for the ridiculous extension and raise.

 

[ThreatLevelOrange]

Sure, it can. 3-7 conference-only is akin to 6-6 in a 'normal' year.

We could have had a 2017 repeat and gone 0-fer in SEC play.

0-10 is definitely worse than 3-7. Losing to Vandy, Mizzou and USCe is definitely worse than beating them.

So sure, 3-7 sucked. But it could definitely be worse.

We finished tied for 10th in the conference. Had we lost that opener to SC, we would’ve finished 13.

We need to realize we are closer to the bottom of the SEC than than the top. Not much to show for year 3 of the latest rebuilding effort.

 

[ThreatLevelOrange]

They're not firing him for cause.

Again, his contract says to fire him for cause, they would have to find evidence of Level 1 violations. They would have to notify him of those findings in writing to trigger the clause in his contract. If Tennessee found evidence of Level 1 violations, they would be obligated to turn that over to the NCAA, particularly if they had to produce it in writing.

Level 1 violations would at very minimum come with a two-year bowl ban. If you are banned from a bowl, either by the NCAA or self-imposed, a school is not eligible for the SEC bowl revenue sharing, which you are eligible for in a normal year even if you don't qualify for a bowl game. That share is about $8.5 million every year.

So let's do some simple math. Pruitt's buyout is about $13 million. A two-year bowl ban would cost UT about $17 million. If you want to fire him, you pay him his money to not have to report the violations.

Or perhaps it’s been leaked to weaken Pruitt’s position to receive 100% of the buyout. He settles for less and we can move on.

Pruitt looks and acts like a guy who doesn’t want to be here. But he doesn’t want to walk away empty handed.

 

[chattaboogie]

It sure sounds like he is.

OP, clear this up for me and Acuna. If your question can be thoroughly answered ("It would take A, and B, and then C. Done deal."), would you then take the next step and start wishing for A, B, and C so that Pruitt would lose the job?

Be honest now...was that going to be your next step?

I would start wishing for A, B, and C.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Is the investigation going to find out that CJP's record is almost exactly like Dooleys record after 3 years when he was fired?

 

[VFL-82-JP]

...So at this point all we have is to hope enough turns up in the investigation to justify parting with him...So whatever has to happen to allow us to make a change...I’m on board with.

I would start wishing for A, B, and C.

I have sadly learned to expect this of you two. Disappointed that we have fans like you, but your responses do not surprise me.

You actively wish ill on our school, on our program, you wish for investigation results that will hurt us all, so that you can have your way on a coaching change.

It is pitiful. But not surprising.

 

[chattaboogie]

I have sadly learned to expect this of you two. Disappointed that we have fans like you, but your responses do not surprise me.

You actively wish ill on our school, on our program, you wish for investigation results that will hurt us all, so that you can have your way on a coaching change.

It is pitiful. But not surprising.

I’m nothing if not consistent. Just think our program would be better off dealing with probation under a competent coach vs. continuing to flounder with a coach that has proven to be inept. It’s not like we can get much worse.

 

[Pride85]

Triggered?

No, just tires of sad little keyboard cowboys.

 

[Pride85]

I’m nothing if not consistent. Just think our program would be better off dealing with probation under a competent coach vs. continuing to flounder with a coach that has proven to be inept. It’s not like we can get much worse.

I have to agree with VFL-82-JP. that has to be one of the dumbest mindsets I have ever seen. To want the school to be under probation, somehow thinking that would attract a high level coach, is beyond ignorant.

 

[chattavol420]

I have sadly learned to expect this of you two. Disappointed that we have fans like you, but your responses do not surprise me.

You actively wish ill on our school, on our program, you wish for investigation results that will hurt us all, so that you can have your way on a coaching change.

It is pitiful. But not surprising.

Sometimes you have to take a step back to enable you to take 3 steps forward. Pruitt is as incompetent of a coach as we’ve ever had on our sidelines. How is that not apparent to you? And it requires a great leader/coach to become a great team. We can agree of this too correct? So explain to me how our logic is off.
We have to hire a great coach. I’m for whatever has to happen for this administration to make the change. That doesn’t make me any lesser of a fan than you.

 

[RiverVol]

I have sadly learned to expect this of you two. Disappointed that we have fans like you, but your responses do not surprise me.

You actively wish ill on our school, on our program, you wish for investigation results that will hurt us all, so that you can have your way on a coaching change.

It is pitiful. But not surprising.

You're coming off a bit like a pit bull that is attacking a limb that is still attached to an oak tree. That argument is not going anywhere. Thrash all that you want, but Pruitt is an abysmal coach. The W/L record last year and this year - along with the spread in our losses this year support that statement - the depth of disfunction is being highlighted as the SEC opponents that embarrassed us get embarrassed themselves in bowl games.

This is without taking into account the obvious weird culture that is emanating from the program this year (O-line being horrible, yet the D-Line coach being fired ... in his 1st year... in the middle of the season - gross mismanagement of the QB talent pool - right up to the last game... illustrated in part by a vaunted OC that called a season like a rookie that had his imagination excised from his brain.)

Blindly telling anyone (and everyone) who is creatively looking for a SOLUTION to the problem (Pruitt) that they are "wishing ill" on the program is a stale, obtuse statement. You can keep making it, you can keep shaking the limb, but you're not going to take the tree down. It is firmly rooted in fact.

 

[chattavol420]

You're coming off a bit like a pit bull that is attacking a limb that is still attached to an oak tree. That argument is not going anywhere. Thrash all that you want, but Pruitt is an abysmal coach. The W/L record last year and this year - along with the spread in our losses this year support that statement - the depth of disfunction is being highlighted as the SEC opponents that embarrassed us get embarrassed themselves in bowl games.

This is without taking into account the obvious weird culture that is emanating from the program this year (O-line being horrible, yet the D-Line coach being fired ... in his 1st year... in the middle of the season - gross mismanagement of the QB talent pool - right up to the last game... illustrated in part by a vaunted OC that called a season like a rookie that had his imagination excised from his brain.)

Blindly telling anyone (and everyone) who is creatively looking for a SOLUTION to the problem (Pruitt) that they are "wishing ill" on the program is a stale, obtuse statement. You can keep making it, you can keep shaking the limb, but you're not going to take the tree down. It is firmly rooted in fact.

Absolutely spot on. Well done

 

[90 Vol]

With or without an investigation, 2 losing seasons in 3 years should be enough. 7 double digit losses in one season should be enough. Gross incompetence managing the QB position should be enough along with the regression of every position group on the team. Somebody help me understand why Gump is still here and what we think we’re gaining by keeping him?

 

[chattaboogie]

I have to agree with VFL-82-JP. that has to be one of the dumbest mindsets I have ever seen. To want the school to be under probation, somehow thinking that would attract a high level coach, is beyond ignorant.

Don’t recall saying probation would attract a high level coach. I think what you’re saying is that it would be impossible to get a good coach to come to a program with ncaa issues and that’s just not true. You know what I thinks ignorant?
Somehow believing that continuing to stick with the guy who has taken the team in the wrong direction over three years, repeatedly fields an unprepared and undisciplined team, got dominated by Georgia state, Obliterated by KENTUCKY, has yet to make successful halftime adjustments, and so on and so forth i don’t have time to type it all but you get the point... is the answer.

 

[RiverVol]

I have to agree with VFL-82-JP. that has to be one of the dumbest mindsets I have ever seen. To want the school to be under probation, somehow thinking that would attract a high level coach, is beyond ignorant.

A competent AD and Admin... who relate well, communicate well, have a cohesive vision for the department, and illustrate an ability to allow the HFC to integrate into that vision in his own way... that kind of AD and Admin - one that also writes fair, industry standard contracts... and offer LARGE sums of money, can trump any, and I mean any obstacle - including probation, fan apathy, etc.

 

[BigOrangeFanatic]

If you have a plan in place pay the buyout and send him back to Bama. If not...we don’t need a repeat of Pruitt hire or what just happened to the war eagle tigers. It’s Pruitt until leadership had consensus on a plan.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

We finished tied for 10th in the conference. Had we lost that opener to SC, we would’ve finished 13.

We need to realize we are closer to the bottom of the SEC than than the top. Not much to show for year 3 of the latest rebuilding effort.

Had JG not given the Uk game away with turnovers, we would have finished ahead of the and in the middle of the class. JG cost at least 2-3 wins with his turn over.

 

[ThreatLevelOrange]

Had JG not given the Uk game away with turnovers, we would have finished ahead of the and in the middle of the class. JG cost at least 2-3 wins with his turn over.

Yet he started time and again. Pruitt doesn’t have good judgment to not bring in a transfer capable of taking the job.