What are some of you expecting?

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Unimane

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Some of the criticism here is puzzling. So, Dooley hasn't magically found All-American's, a dozen 1st round picks and a 3 deep roster within the first three games of the season? Seriously, you're surprised?

I don't think some understand how difficult and long the task for Dooley is at this point. Our recruiting has been thrown in disarray for two straight years and, on top of that, we have Fulmer recruits getting beat out by walk-ons. It's bad, really bad.

And, I don't want to hear this stuff about not "celebrating moral victories". There's moral victories when you suck as a program and play above yourself once of twice without the prospect of getting better. Then there's the moral victory of a down program showing promise and improve to reach a higher plateau in the future. We are the second one today.

So, anyway, if you have any issues with not winning today and people looking for positives from this game, you might want to open that link at the top for our roster and refresh your perspective.
 
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It was a moral victory, but still we lost by 14 which is never anything to start celi
brating about.
 
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Unimane said:
Some of the criticism here is puzzling. So, Dooley hasn't magically found All-American's, a dozen 1st round picks and a 3 deep roster within the first three games of the season? Seriously, you're surprised?

I don't think some understand how difficult and long the task for Dooley is at this point. Our recruiting has been thrown in disarray for two straight years and, on top of that, we have Fulmer recruits getting beat out by walk-ons. It's bad, really bad.

And, I don't want to hear this stuff about not "celebrating moral victories". There's moral victories when you suck as a program and play above yourself once of twice without the prospect of getting better. Then there's the moral victory of a down program showing promise and improve to reach a higher plateau in the future. We are the second one today.

So, anyway, if you have any issues with not winning today and people looking for positives from this game, you might want to open that link at the top for our roster and refresh your perspective.
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I'm more concerned with interceptions, fumbles, penalties, special teams problems and poor tackling than anything else. You cannot do anything about a lack of talent but you can play sound fundamental football. Not blaming DD though, just saying he has some work to do.
 
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I expect to see improvement every game in our competitive level. I saw it today....big improvement from last week. I see so far that it is going to fall on Simms if we win or lose. If we can't get the passing game going we're not going to be able to get Poole and Oku going. I still think the passing game this year is ahead of where it was last season with Crompton....IMO.
 
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Who here is bashing Dooley? I have issues with certain calls today, but I do with every game. Most of us that aren't jumping on the effort and moral victory bandwagon are just sick of the same story every year. Pathetic third down defense, awful QB play, lack of playmakers, special teams garbage, all but certain losses to our biggest rivals, etc...

Every year, it is the same story. Are there positives to take away? Sure. But so what, it doesn't change the outcome. I'll give Dooley a chance, but as a UT fan, don't expect me to sit back and continue to make excuses for the same crap we have all become entirely too comfortable with.

Still, moral victories and efforst mean nothing in the end. A loss is still a loss.
 
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Unimane said:
Some of the criticism here is puzzling. So, Dooley hasn't magically found All-American's, a dozen 1st round picks and a 3 deep roster within the first three games of the season? Seriously, you're surprised?

I don't think some understand how difficult and long the task for Dooley is at this point. Our recruiting has been thrown in disarray for two straight years and, on top of that, we have Fulmer recruits getting beat out by walk-ons. It's bad, really bad.

And, I don't want to hear this stuff about not "celebrating moral victories". There's moral victories when you suck as a program and play above yourself once of twice without the prospect of getting better. Then there's the moral victory of a down program showing promise and improve to reach a higher plateau in the future. We are the second one today.

So, anyway, if you have any issues with not winning today and people looking for positives from this game, you might want to open that link at the top for our roster and refresh your perspective.
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Finally someone else gets it. :good!:
 
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rjd970 said:
Who here is bashing Dooley? I have issues with certain calls today, but I do with every game. Most of us that aren't jumping on the effort and moral victory bandwagon are just sick of the same story every year. Pathetic third down defense, awful QB play, lack of playmakers, special teams garbage, all but certain losses to our biggest rivals, etc...

Every year, it is the same story. Are there positives to take away? Sure. But so what, it doesn't change the outcome. I'll give Dooley a chance, but as a UT fan, don't expect me to sit back and continue to make excuses for the same crap we have all become entirely too comfortable with.

Still, moral victories and efforst mean nothing in the end. A loss is still a loss.
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Then start with Fulmer it's his last 3 recruiting classes that has us in this mess.
 
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Do you guys think any coach can come into a broken program and turn it around overnight?? Dooleys coached 3 games!! It's not like he took over a program that is one or two tweaks away from being a NC caliber team! We have an average at best QB and with what I saw today I'd be questioning the defensive coordinator!! Oh and I won't even get into the problems on the offensive line!!
 
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rjd970 said:
Who here is bashing Dooley? I have issues with certain calls today, but I do with every game. Most of us that aren't jumping on the effort and moral victory bandwagon are just sick of the same story every year. Pathetic third down defense, awful QB play, lack of playmakers, special teams garbage, all but certain losses to our biggest rivals, etc...

Every year, it is the same story. Are there positives to take away? Sure. But so what, it doesn't change the outcome. I'll give Dooley a chance, but as a UT fan, don't expect me to sit back and continue to make excuses for the same crap we have all become entirely too comfortable with.

Still, moral victories and efforst mean nothing in the end. A loss is still a loss.
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And you're still not understanding the situation in your zero-sum expectations. If you are going solely on wins and losses, then you are going to have a frustrating couple of years. You may be tired of the problems, but Dooley has been here all of three games. Losing habits and lack of talent take time to fix, so you might want to think about adjusting your persepctive.
 
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27orangefan56 said:
Do you guys think any coach can come into a broken program and turn it around overnight?? Dooleys coached 3 games!! It's not like he took over a program that is one or two tweaks away from being a NC caliber team! We have an average at best QB and with what I saw today I'd be questioning the defensive coordinator!! Oh and I won't even get into the problems on the offensive line!!
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I don't think people are blaming Dooley, it's just people are tired of the same old crap every year. I could have told you Ufs special teams would have outplayed ours today before the game even began and I would have been correct. The next time we return a kickoff or punt for a Td it will be a minor miracle.
 
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Unimane said:
And you're still not understanding the situation in your zero-sum expectations. If you are going solely on wins and losses, then you are going to have a frustrating couple of years. You may be tired of the problems, but Dooley has been here all of three games. Losing habits and lack of talent take time to fix, so you might want to think about adjusting your persepctive.
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Find one place where I have said I am not on board with Dooley.

My frustration is built on our program. I'm not pointing fingers either. I'm just saying, how is what happened today not par for the course for the last 5 or 6 years? I'm beginning to think we will never stop third and longs or get decent QB play.

Say what you will, and people can question my fandom all they want. I question the fandom of those that seem content to continually say "we are getting better" year after year and be content with it.
 
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rjd970 said:
Find one place where I have said I am not on board with Dooley.

My frustration is built on our program. I'm not pointing fingers either. I'm just saying, how is what happened today not par for the course for the last 5 or 6 years? I'm beginning to think we will never stop third and longs or get decent QB play.

Say what you will, and people can question my fandom all they want. I question the fandom of those that seem content to continually say "we are getting better" year after year and be content with it.
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Not questioning your fandom, just your perspective. If you think that there won't be repercussions for the absolute disarray for the last 3 years, then you are kidding yourself. We'll stop having those problems once we stop having to play mutliple walk-ons and get to have a steady coaching staff for an entire recruiting period.

Nobody's content with saying "things are getting better", but simply complaining about what's hapening on the field without putting it together with what's happened off it is ridiculous. You can either choose to be frustrated with unrealistic short term expectations or look for the long term progressions.
 
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27orangefan56 said:
Do you guys think any coach can come into a broken program and turn it around overnight?? Dooleys coached 3 games!! It's not like he took over a program that is one or two tweaks away from being a NC caliber team! We have an average at best QB and with what I saw today I'd be questioning the defensive coordinator!! Oh and I won't even get into the problems on the offensive line!!
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Pretty sure most of the moaning and groaning here is frustration over losing, not targeting the team or staff directlyt.

The majority understand that this year is going to be like the Bill Murray experience in the movie Ground Hog Day....we get to see the same mistakes each Sat. for some time to come.

Now...if I can only remember how Bill got out of that mindless situation???
 
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Unimane said:
Not questioning your fandom, just your perspective. If you think that there won't be repercussions for the absolute disarray for the last 3 years, then you are kidding yourself. We'll stop having those problems once we stop having to play mutliple walk-ons and get to have a steady coaching staff for an entire recruiting period.

Nobody's content with saying "things are getting better", but simply complaining about what's hapening on the field without putting it together with what's happened off it is ridiculous. You can either choose to be frustrated with unrealistic short term expectations or look for the long term progressions.
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Nonsense. There is no difference the past 3 years than from the previous 2-3 before that. The program as a whole has taken huge steps backward this decade, and today showed nothing...absolutely nothing, has changed. ST are still an issue, we still have no QB, third and longs are irritatingly bad, and we are way behind on talent. These were all issues before the last 3 years.
 
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It feels like we could change coaches every year, and would still lose the ST battle against CUM
 
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I think they said we were 120th in punt return yardage in the nation. Do the guys just refuse to block? It's unbelievable we are that bad.
 
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I expect us to lose many games this year.

However I also expect a team that doesn't quit. That is 2 weeks in a row.
 
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PennVol said:
It feels like we could change coaches every year, and would still lose the ST battle against CUM
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It's not just CUM. ST's is a problem in most of our games. A good coach takes advantage of their opponent's weakness and that's what CUM does to us.
 
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rjd970 said:
Nonsense. There is no difference the past 3 years than from the previous 2-3 before that. The program as a whole has taken huge steps backward this decade, and today showed nothing...absolutely nothing, has changed. ST are still an issue, we still have no QB, third and longs are irritatingly bad, and we are way behind on talent. These were all issues before the last 3 years.
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There's no difference? All of those issues are relating to lack of talent. The difference is that Fulmer couldn't (oor wouldn't) bring in the right talent and Dooley has had no opportunity to do so. Fulmer at least had some first round draft picks, whereas Dooley has scraps left over from three years of total chaos.

So, yes, there's definitely a difference, even if you can't see it.
 
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Unimane said:
There's no difference? All of those issues are relating to lack of talent. The difference is that Fulmer couldn't (oor wouldn't) bring in the right talent and Dooley has had no opportunity to do so. Fulmer at least had some first round draft picks, whereas Dooley has scraps left over from three years of total chaos.

So, yes, there's definitely a difference, even if you can't see it.
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Huh? I understand there is no difference in what the coaches had to work with. I am saying there is no difference with the product put on the field. You seem to think that I don't support Dooley, or I blame him for this loss, which is completely off-base. I'm saying pre and post turmoil, there is no difference in either the team or the fan's apathy toward mediocrity.
 
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Unimane said:
Some of the criticism here is puzzling. So, Dooley hasn't magically found All-American's, a dozen 1st round picks and a 3 deep roster within the first three games of the season? Seriously, you're surprised?

I don't think some understand how difficult and long the task for Dooley is at this point. Our recruiting has been thrown in disarray for two straight years and, on top of that, we have Fulmer recruits getting beat out by walk-ons. It's bad, really bad.

And, I don't want to hear this stuff about not "celebrating moral victories". There's moral victories when you suck as a program and play above yourself once of twice without the prospect of getting better. Then there's the moral victory of a down program showing promise and improve to reach a higher plateau in the future. We are the second one today.

So, anyway, if you have any issues with not winning today and people looking for positives from this game, you might want to open that link at the top for our roster and refresh your perspective.
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Losing 6 straight to florida will do that. That hasn't happened before so it may take a few days to set in. I'm not mad at Dooley or anyone. Just sickened today is all. In reality I knew it was already this, but it still stings.
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