I think the last few people were trying to sell us because the then ADs knew what they were delivering. Going back to Fulmer and before nobody knows wtf they said because we didn't have internet and no channel wanted to air the entire thing. I think this was more of an announcement than a sales job. Ultimately, I think the evaluation of this hire depends on the level of trust that people have in Fulmer. I don't think TCADAUTK would hire anyone that he does not 100% believe can replicate his own success because otherwise he would've hired himself.