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GrowVol

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Basic tackling and angles to tackle. Its shameful. I know a big part of it is talent level, but...come on? Really? Tackling is a given?
 
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coaching is what most of the issue is. Quit with the "we don't have talent crap". These kids got other scholarship offers from other D-1 Universities, so there is talent. It is just not being mentored and coached.PERIOD
 
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I don't think it helps that our linebackers are playing with their lips glued to the d-line. I think they should play a couple steps deeper.
 
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volinbama256 said:
coaching is what most of the issue is. Quit with the "we don't have talent crap". These kids got other scholarship offers from other D-1 Universities, so there is talent. It is just not being mentored and coached.PERIOD
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The talent has not been developed the past 3 years. Not hard to see.
 
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I refuse to believe that any coach who has been able to keep a collegiate-level job for more than 15 minutes is not coaching containment and pursuit angles. It's basic stuff. It is coached at the peewee level.

It is obviously a technique and mental discipline issue. I suppose you can blame it on the staff if it makes you feel better, but I just don't see it. I'm also pretty sure that the coaches tell the o-line to wait until the ball is snapped before they move, but they don't seem to be getting that either.

It's tough to defend CBJ right now. I am not even sure that I want to, but he really is in a no-win situation. If you have guys not responding to direction and making the same mistakes over and over, the typical response is to put someone else in there and give him a shot. He can't do that.

I believe CBJ when he says there is no depth. There just isn't anyone else to put in. He's in a no-win situation. He leaves in the more talented player who continually makes mistakes and he gets blasted. He sticks someone out there that has no chance whatsoever to be competitive and he gets blasted.

The Vols are just bad. Really bad. They have been for a while and probably will be for at least a while longer. I like CBJ. I want him to do well, and I expect that he will. But, I have no idea if he will ultimately work out. The one given is that he will be here for a few more years, and - at this point - it is VERY difficult to assess how good he may or may not be.

To borrow a phrase from one of my favorite movies: "it's a huge s#%t sandwich, and we're all gonna have to take a bite."
 
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volinbama256 said:
coaching is what most of the issue is. Quit with the "we don't have talent crap". These kids got other scholarship offers from other D-1 Universities, so there is talent. It is just not being mentored and coached.PERIOD
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So a safety running 20yrds across the field to chase a rb that doesn't have the ball and letting the QB run up his side over and over is all on the coaches?? I'm sure that's what they tell the safety to do?
 
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volinbama256 said:
coaching is what most of the issue is. Quit with the "we don't have talent crap". These kids got other scholarship offers from other D-1 Universities, so there is talent. It is just not being mentored and coached.PERIOD
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It is talent and speed.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
I refuse to believe that any coach who has been able to keep a collegiate-level job for more than 15 minutes is not coaching containment and pursuit angles. It's basic stuff. It is coached at the peewee level.

It is obviously a technique and mental discipline issue. I suppose you can blame it on the staff if it makes you feel better, but I just don't see it. I'm also pretty sure that the coaches tell the o-line to wait until the ball is snapped before they move, but they don't seem to be getting that either.

It's tough to defend CBJ right now. I am not even sure that I want to, but he really is in a no-win situation. If you have guys not responding to direction and making the same mistakes over and over, the typical response is to put someone else in there and give him a shot. He can't do that.

I believe CBJ when he says there is no depth. There just isn't anyone else to put in. He's in a no-win situation. He leaves in the more talented player who continually makes mistakes and he gets blasted. He sticks someone out there that has no chance whatsoever to be competitive and he gets blasted.

The Vols are just bad. Really bad. They have been for a while and probably will be for at least a while longer. I like CBJ. I want him to do well, and I expect that he will. But, I have no idea if he will ultimately work out. The one given is that he will be here for a few more years, and - at this point - it is VERY difficult to assess how good he may or may not be.

To borrow a phrase from one of my favorite movies: "it's a huge s#%t sandwich, and we're all gonna have to take a bite."
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I agree and to add to that these players should know form tackling and pursuit angles by the time they get to college and if they do not they do not need to be playing at this level.

The coaches are not telling them or teaching them to take bad angles but once in the game they mentally break down and take them.
 
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volinbama256 said:
coaching is what most of the issue is. Quit with the "we don't have talent crap". These kids got other scholarship offers from other D-1 Universities, so there is talent. It is just not being mentored and coached.PERIOD
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Some of them did, not a majority. You would be surprised at many of their other offers outside of our over-rated o-line.
 
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robvol said:
So a safety running 20yrds across the field to chase a rb that doesn't have the ball and letting the QB run up his side over and over is all on the coaches?? I'm sure that's what they tell the safety to do?
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It is amazing to me that some posters on here believe that is the case.

On the flip side maybe Sunseri was not as bad as we all thought.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
I refuse to believe that any coach who has been able to keep a collegiate-level job for more than 15 minutes is not coaching containment and pursuit angles. It's basic stuff. It is coached at the peewee level.

It is obviously a technique and mental discipline issue. I suppose you can blame it on the staff if it makes you feel better, but I just don't see it. I'm also pretty sure that the coaches tell the o-line to wait until the ball is snapped before they move, but they don't seem to be getting that either.

It's tough to defend CBJ right now. I am not even sure that I want to, but he really is in a no-win situation. If you have guys not responding to direction and making the same mistakes over and over, the typical response is to put someone else in there and give him a shot. He can't do that.

I believe CBJ when he says there is no depth. There just isn't anyone else to put in. He's in a no-win situation. He leaves in the more talented player who continually makes mistakes and he gets blasted. He sticks someone out there that has no chance whatsoever to be competitive and he gets blasted.

The Vols are just bad. Really bad. They have been for a while and probably will be for at least a while longer. I like CBJ. I want him to do well, and I expect that he will. But, I have no idea if he will ultimately work out. The one given is that he will be here for a few more years, and - at this point - it is VERY difficult to assess how good he may or may not be.

To borrow a phrase from one of my favorite movies: "it's a huge s#%t sandwich, and we're all gonna have to take a bite."
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That sandwich has been giving me the s#$'s for a while now, but agree with what your saying. just got to be patient, Go vols!
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
I refuse to believe that any coach who has been able to keep a collegiate-level job for more than 15 minutes is not coaching containment and pursuit angles. It's basic stuff. It is coached at the peewee level.

It is obviously a technique and mental discipline issue. I suppose you can blame it on the staff if it makes you feel better, but I just don't see it. I'm also pretty sure that the coaches tell the o-line to wait until the ball is snapped before they move, but they don't seem to be getting that either.

It's tough to defend CBJ right now. I am not even sure that I want to, but he really is in a no-win situation. If you have guys not responding to direction and making the same mistakes over and over, the typical response is to put someone else in there and give him a shot. He can't do that.

I believe CBJ when he says there is no depth. There just isn't anyone else to put in. He's in a no-win situation. He leaves in the more talented player who continually makes mistakes and he gets blasted. He sticks someone out there that has no chance whatsoever to be competitive and he gets blasted.

The Vols are just bad. Really bad. They have been for a while and probably will be for at least a while longer. I like CBJ. I want him to do well, and I expect that he will. But, I have no idea if he will ultimately work out. The one given is that he will be here for a few more years, and - at this point - it is VERY difficult to assess how good he may or may not be.

To borrow a phrase from one of my favorite movies: "it's a huge s#%t sandwich, and we're all gonna have to take a bite."
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it is the coaches first year to coach em up the way they want
 
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robvol said:
So a safety running 20yrds across the field to chase a rb that doesn't have the ball and letting the QB run up his side over and over is all on the coaches?? I'm sure that's what they tell the safety to do?
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amen
 
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jasonvol18 said:
It is talent and speed.
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Sure. You keep thinking that.

Let this sink in.... pretty much the same players on this team, (actually better with the additions of Randolph and Sutton, playing in a 4-3 scheme which everyone agreed they're better suited for than the 3-4 they played in last year), just gave up far more yards rushing in a game than last year's awful, pathetic, record-breaking in futility team ever did. We have more speed and more athletic ability this year than last.,... The responsibility for disgraceful play of this team now sits squarely in the lap of Butch Jones.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
It is talent and speed.
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You do realize that if a 4.3 40 and 4.8 40 guy race in the 40 yard dash, the "burner" 4.3 beats the "slow" 4.8 guy by one step, right?

Yes, one step.

Speed makes good defense great. It does not make bad defense good.

Today, the defense was sucking in on every fake, taking bad angles to the edge and generally breaking most every rule of defensive containment. You could have had the fastest defense in D-1, and all it would have done would have increased the number of plays Auburn needed to score. They would have ran the ball up and down the field all day any way.

Yes, they are slower than you would like, but speed is not the reason they are bad on defense.

I have no clue about "talent." That word has been thrown around so much on Volnation that I don't even know what that really means. I have no idea how "talented" they are, but I do know they are not very good football players . . . yet.

Let's all hope they can become good football players.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
You do realize that if a 4.3 40 and 4.8 40 guy race in the 40 yard dash, the "burner" 4.3 beats the "slow" 4.8 guy by one step, right?

Yes, one step.

Speed makes good defense great. It does not make bad defense good.

Today, the defense was sucking in on every fake, taking bad angles to the edge and generally breaking most every rule of defensive containment. You could have had the fastest defense in D-1, and all it would have done would have increased the number of plays Auburn needed to score. They would have ran the ball up and down the field all day any way.

Yes, they are slower than you would like, but speed is not the reason they are bad on defense.

I have no clue about "talent." That word has been thrown around so much on Volnation that I don't even know what that really means. I have no idea how "talented" they are, but I do know they are not very good football players . . . yet.

Let's all hope they can become good football players.
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This is pretty spot on. I do not believe they will be given the chance to become good football players as theyare being recruited over.
 
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