Well off, well educated younger Americans getting caught up in Chinese "lie flat" movement

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‘Lie Flat’ If You Want, But Be Ready to Pay the Price

In China, workers are protesting twelve hour work days six days a week by walking away from their jobs for the sake of their health and sanity. Chinese courts have ruled such punishing hours illegal, but businesses are being slow to catch up. Workers go home to literally "lie flat" in sheer exhaustion, sometimes too tired to even eat.

Having never met a cause thwy couldn't turn into an Instagram hashtag, young American workers are walking away from their jobs in solidarity. Only it's not the fast food crew or construction workers, it's trust funded middle manager desk jockeys with stable pay and forty hour weeks.

I guess those of us who bust our asses to keep the kids fed are going to have some opportunities to move up to some empty manager positions.
 
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‘Lie Flat’ If You Want, But Be Ready to Pay the Price

In China, workers are protesting twelve hour work days six days a week by walking away from their jobs for the sake of their health and sanity. Chinese courts have ruled such punishing hours illegal, but businesses are being slow to catch up. Workers go home to literally "lie flat" in sheer exhaustion, sometimes too tired to even eat.

Having never met a cause thwy couldn't turn into an Instagram hashtag, young American workers are walking away from their jobs in solidarity. Only it's not the fast food crew or construction workers, it's trust funded middle manager desk jockeys with stable pay and forty hour weeks.

I guess those of us who bust our asses to keep the kids fed are going to have some opportunities to move up to some empty manager positions.

This is going to be brutal and I am sorry but it is academia that is brainwashing these kids into this mindset.

It appears you are moderate or slightly left leaning (such as my best friend who is a OSU English professor) and that is totally fine but there are a ton of hardcore leftist professors who are full blown indoctrinating our kids.

This will only get worse if colleges do not stop pushing woke agendas that are now trickling all the way down to kindergartners.

You want this to change start telling your colleagues to knock it off because this is where it must start.
 
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It appears you are moderate or slightly left leaning (such as my best friend who is a OSU English professor) and that is totally fine but there are a ton of hardcore leftist professors who are full blown indoctrinating our kids.

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You want this to change start telling your colleagues to knock it off because this is where it must start.
Maybe it's that I'm in the wrong places at the wrong times, but I can't find these hardcore left professor types. I didn't encounter any through my Masters or PhD, and I haven't been around them as a faculty member either.

Where I am seeing kids getting these ideas is from each other. From student-founded, student-led groups. Groups we faculty are too busy to do anything for other than sign the annual Faculty Advisor report so they can exist on campus.

No teacher ever changed my philosophy on non-subject material. It was all time with other students. And that's what my students tell me now.

If you want to stop indoctrination, keep the students as far away from each other as possible.
 
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Maybe it's that I'm in the wrong places at the wrong times, but I can't find these hardcore left professor types. I didn't encounter any through my Masters or PhD, and I haven't been around them as a faculty member either.

Where I am seeing kids getting these ideas is from each other. From student-founded, student-led groups. Groups we faculty are too busy to do anything for other than sign the annual Faculty Advisor report so they can exist on campus.

No teacher ever changed my philosophy on non-subject material. It was all time with other students. And that's what my students tell me now.

If you want to stop indoctrination, keep the students as far away from each other as possible.
Denison University in OH was huge on shifting perspective.

My finance prof at OSU was a huge fan of Cuba and literally said capitalism was evil.

I honestly think you might be too close to the scenario or not seeing it but kids don’t suddenly develops geo political leanings at 18 from nowhere and it’s not from other kids. It takes one cool teacher with a Che Guevara shirt who talks about how no one should starve and you are off to the races.

Also not all sectors of college are this way. If you are not in the humanities realm you may not be encountering it nearly as much.

You also may be at a Bible college which is opposite spectrum like Bob Jones….which I find just as loony.
 
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Also not all sectors of college are this way. If you are not in the humanities realm you may not be encountering it nearly as much.
I'm in a university's College of Liberal Arts, more specifically a School of Music. We deal in chord progressions and pitch justification and music teacher preparation. I have no problem admitting I'm insulated from most of the rest of whatever institution I'm at.

If someone finds a way to make playing in or out of tune a political issue, I'm out. I'll find some fence posts to drive somewhere.
 
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Maybe it's that I'm in the wrong places at the wrong times, but I can't find these hardcore left professor types. I didn't encounter any through my Masters or PhD, and I haven't been around them as a faculty member either.

Where I am seeing kids getting these ideas is from each other. From student-founded, student-led groups. Groups we faculty are too busy to do anything for other than sign the annual Faculty Advisor report so they can exist on campus.

No teacher ever changed my philosophy on non-subject material. It was all time with other students. And that's what my students tell me now.

If you want to stop indoctrination, keep the students as far away from each other as possible.
You can’t be serious? Nearly every professor I had in college was liberal and that was 25 years ago in the South. I work with several currently and most are younger than 40
 
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This is going to be brutal and I am sorry but it is academia that is brainwashing these kids into this mindset.

It appears you are moderate or slightly left leaning (such as my best friend who is a OSU English professor) and that is totally fine but there are a ton of hardcore leftist professors who are full blown indoctrinating our kids.

This will only get worse if colleges do not stop pushing woke agendas that are now trickling all the way down to kindergartners.

You want this to change start telling your colleagues to knock it off because this is where it must start.
As a faculty member at UT, I have a policy of never talking politics with students, and most of my colleagues seem to have a similar approach. While there are certain fields where it is necessary to delve into political views and I'm sure there are faculty who go too far in expressing opinions, it amazes me that every mention of liberal youngsters is met with the accusations of university indoctrination.
 
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Are they aggressively attempting to indoctrinate you?
They were in their classes, it is highly inappropriate. History is only as good as the lens it is being viewed through and when you view everything through the lens of your own personal politics then it is human nature. However, when you teach through that same lens as historical fact it is extremely unprofessional and damaging.
 
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Are they aggressively attempting to indoctrinate you?
I found the attempt at "indoctrination" to be in the general social courses like gender studies, etc. and some history. The students that were in that major were also very in your face about their politics. In my business courses, 2007-11, there wasn't much outside of the economics portion of capitalism vs socialism but those professors leaned to capitalism.

I think it depends on subject. The ones that are worth a damn generally won't have political emphasis
 
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I found the attempt at "indoctrination" to be in the general social courses like gender studies, etc. and some history. The students that were in that major were also very in your face about their politics. In my business courses, 2007-11, there wasn't much outside of the economics portion of capitalism vs socialism but those professors leaned to capitalism.

I think it depends on subject. The ones that are worth a damn generally won't have political emphasis
I had a 3rd world econ teacher who definitely leaned one direction but still learned plenty. Learning how to understand all sides is more beneficial than only getting one. I didn't consider it indoctrination as much as then presenting their pov and being able to support it. Thanks kind of the point of higher Ed imo
 
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I had a 3rd world econ teacher who definitely leaned one direction but still learned plenty. Learning how to understand all sides is more beneficial than only getting one. I didn't consider it indoctrination as much as then presenting their pov and being able to support it. Thanks kind of the point of higher Ed imo
I encourage teaching all sides and I think that's what higher education is about as well. The social courses were far from all sides. It was a diet version of the language you hear about now but the macro idea was still there. Students with a different point of view were shut down in those courses. I just did the minimum there and moved on. I think we can agree too many kids went into that social major and got nothing of value from it. The business courses didn't have such an absolute direction but outside of economic courses, what's there to diverge from politically?

I majored in statistical marketing so alot was simply number based
 
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This is going to be brutal and I am sorry but it is academia that is brainwashing these kids into this mindset.

It appears you are moderate or slightly left leaning (such as my best friend who is a OSU English professor) and that is totally fine but there are a ton of hardcore leftist professors who are full blown indoctrinating our kids.

This will only get worse if colleges do not stop pushing woke agendas that are now trickling all the way down to kindergartners.

You want this to change start telling your colleagues to knock it off because this is where it must start.
Id say he's much more to the left that he lets on
 
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Maybe it's that I'm in the wrong places at the wrong times, but I can't find these hardcore left professor types. I didn't encounter any through my Masters or PhD, and I haven't been around them as a faculty member either.

Where I am seeing kids getting these ideas is from each other. From student-founded, student-led groups. Groups we faculty are too busy to do anything for other than sign the annual Faculty Advisor report so they can exist on campus.

No teacher ever changed my philosophy on non-subject material. It was all time with other students. And that's what my students tell me now.

If you want to stop indoctrination, keep the students as far away from each other as possible.
They're being taught by your comrads. If you dont see it, id say that your objectivity has been diminished greatly.
 
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Denison University in OH was huge on shifting perspective.

My finance prof at OSU was a huge fan of Cuba and literally said capitalism was evil.

I honestly think you might be too close to the scenario or not seeing it but kids don’t suddenly develops geo political leanings at 18 from nowhere and it’s not from other kids. It takes one cool teacher with a Che Guevara shirt who talks about how no one should starve and you are off to the races.

Also not all sectors of college are this way. If you are not in the humanities realm you may not be encountering it nearly as much.

You also may be at a Bible college which is opposite spectrum like Bob Jones….which I find just as loony.
You obviously dont know anything about Bob Jones.
 
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They were in their classes, it is highly inappropriate. History is only as good as the lens it is being viewed through and when you view everything through the lens of your own personal politics then it is human nature. However, when you teach through that same lens as historical fact it is extremely unprofessional and damaging.
I agree it does happen and that it is unfortunate. I do believe it is clustered in certain fields that have been mentioned here, but it's hard to get a grasp of how widespread it is.
 
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I agree it does happen and that it is unfortunate. I do believe it is clustered in certain fields that have been mentioned here, but it's hard to get a grasp of how widespread it is.
It is extremely widespread in history, economics, and government. I work with several myself
 
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Denison University in OH was huge on shifting perspective.

My finance prof at OSU was a huge fan of Cuba and literally said capitalism was evil.

I honestly think you might be too close to the scenario or not seeing it but kids don’t suddenly develops geo political leanings at 18 from nowhere and it’s not from other kids. It takes one cool teacher with a Che Guevara shirt who talks about how no one should starve and you are off to the races.

Also not all sectors of college are this way. If you are not in the humanities realm you may not be encountering it nearly as much.

You also may be at a Bible college which is opposite spectrum like Bob Jones….which I find just as loony.
One of the biggest problems is conservatives don't want to be sociology professors so they leave it almost entirely to the left.
 
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I had a 3rd world econ teacher who definitely leaned one direction but still learned plenty. Learning how to understand all sides is more beneficial than only getting one. I didn't consider it indoctrination as much as then presenting their pov and being able to support it. Thanks kind of the point of higher Ed imo
Maybe some of these guys are too old to remember....or maybe they were just super impressionable when they were in college, but biased professors who spew BS often turn students away from their ideas.
 

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