We all know Pete Carroll is a good coach or is He?

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He was hired on Dec. 15 2000 after the Trojans went 5-7. His First season he went 6-7. From then on till he left in 09 he was 77-14. Now he's either a great coach or he's been cheating alot longer than anyone knew. Would like to here what ya'll think. We'll have a better idea after this year.

YR W L

01 6-7
02 11-2
03 12-1
04 Null and void
05 12-1
06 11-2
07 11-2
08 11-2
09 9-4
 
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if pete did everything he had to compliance wise my guess is he'd still have a pretty good record. not that good, but good enough for a nc and more than a couple pac-10 championships.
 
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< still amused by the staggering number of people on VN who seemingly have no idea as to what actually happened at USC.
 
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< still amused by the staggering number of people on VN who seemingly have no idea as to what actually happened at USC.

Hey, just because Bush was already a successful college player before he was offered money by agents doesn't mean anything.

Pete Carrol is a damn cheater!!!!
/sarcasm
 
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Hey, just because Bush was already a successful college player before he was offered money by agents doesn't mean anything.

Pete Carrol is a damn cheater!!!!
/sarcasm

i'm confused. pete said he was just like any other sophmore and wasn't "reggie bush" yet.
 
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I'd say he was, but he ran too loose of a ship. That's what has gotten USC in trouble. An agent got to Reggie Bush and he was the one who paid him, but Carroll, the rest of the USC coaching staff, and the administration either turned the blind eye or didn't make enough of an effort to regulate things.

Otherwise, I'd say he was a very good coach. I'd definitely take him as UT's HC, given that Hamilton and the compliance office keeps a close eye on them. But given the complaints Kiffin and Co. had about our compliance office being to forthcoming about minor violations, I'd say they'd do a better job. Especially since UT isn't to the SEC as USC is to the Pac-10, and Slive wouldn't be so hesitant to punish.

From my brief views into the USC culture, it appears to be a giant circle jerk session. But they can't plead ignorance and get away with it, and apparently they've been blindsided to the point that they're making villains of everyone but themselves in order to rationalize the situation they made for themselves - that's been apparent from their AD making the "The NCAA is jealous because they want to be Trojans and aren't" (or whatever he said) down to the fanbase message board junkies who are playing the victim to the NCAA's malicious intent.
 
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I'd say he was, but he ran too loose of a ship. That's what has gotten USC in trouble. An agent got to Reggie Bush and he was the one who paid him, but Carroll, the rest of the USC coaching staff, and the administration either turned the blind eye or didn't make enough of an effort to regulate things.

Otherwise, I'd say he was a very good coach. I'd definitely take him as UT's HC, given that Hamilton and the compliance office keeps a close eye on them. But given the complaints Kiffin and Co. had about our compliance office being to forthcoming about minor violations, I'd say they'd do a better job. Especially since UT isn't to the SEC as USC is to the Pac-10, and Slive wouldn't be so hesitant to punish.

From my brief views into the USC culture, it appears to be a giant circle jerk session. But they can't plead ignorance and get away with it, and apparently they've been blindsided to the point that they're making villains of everyone but themselves in order to rationalize the situation they made for themselves - that's been apparent from their AD making the "The NCAA is jealous because they want to be Trojans and aren't" (or whatever he said) down to the fanbase message board junkies who are playing the victim to the NCAA's malicious intent.

The best thing I can say to their fanbase crying about its not fair to current players is, these kids knew they where under investigation when they decided to commit there. Now take your medicine like a man!
 
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No matter what the coaches told them, they took a chance the penalties wouldn't be harsh. But they where so buck up and move forward or to Tennessee, which ever you prefer.
 
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I'd say he was, but he ran too loose of a ship. That's what has gotten USC in trouble. An agent got to Reggie Bush and he was the one who paid him, but Carroll, the rest of the USC coaching staff, and the administration either turned the blind eye or didn't make enough of an effort to regulate things.

I believe the released report seemed to suggest that the head coach (Carrol obviously) knew about it and didn't try to stop it
 
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I'd say he was, but he ran too loose of a ship. That's what has gotten USC in trouble. An agent got to Reggie Bush and he was the one who paid him, but Carroll, the rest of the USC coaching staff, and the administration either turned the blind eye or didn't make enough of an effort to regulate things.

Not real sure how they were supposed to stop that from happening.
 
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Not real sure how they were supposed to stop that from happening.

I'm not sure either, but it was still USC's responsibility to keep that from happening. They neglected to do that. According to the NCAA report or hearing, they said that USC, from top to bottom, was too lax, neglectful, and was blissful in their ignorance of the wrong things that may've been going on in their sports programs.

So perhaps putting it all on Carroll is unfair, but he has of share of blame since he's the head coach of the football team.
 
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< still amused by the staggering number of people on VN who seemingly have no idea as to what actually happened at USC.

Would you care to elaborate?

Are we giving him the benefit of the doubt and being light or are we over accusing him?
 
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I'm not sure either, but it was still USC's responsibility to keep that from happening. They neglected to do that. According to the NCAA report or hearing, they said that USC, from top to bottom, was too lax, neglectful, and was blissful in their ignorance of the wrong things that may've been going on in their sports programs.

So perhaps putting it all on Carroll is unfair, but he has of share of blame since he's the head coach of the football team.
Carroll and Garrett were co-conspirators. Garrett had overall responsibility along with the USC leadership/administrators. And to say that Garrett and Carroll wouldn't have been equally aware of what was going on concerning everything in the NCAA complaint is simply naive. They had to have had a few "friendly" chats during the time Carroll was in charge, and how to handle (cover them up) possible violations almost assuredly was discussed.
 
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IMO PC is a very good coach. Good coaches are good and bad coaches are bad for a variety of reasons. Pete isn't an offensive or defensive genius or anything but what he is very good at is putting together a very capable staff to work under him and in delegating areas of responsibility to these assistants. It also helps that he was in a very productive region for prospects and an area where people want to come work under you.
 
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I heard UTGibbs say that Carroll owes credit for much of his success to the arrival of Kiffin. Who knew?
 
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IMO PC is a very good coach. Good coaches are good and bad coaches are bad for a variety of reasons. Pete isn't an offensive or defensive genius or anything but what he is very good at is putting together a very capable staff to work under him and in delegating areas of responsibility to these assistants. It also helps that he was in a very productive region for prospects and an area where people want to come work under you.

pete was a VERY good defensive coach. maybe not a genius, but certainly among the top in the country.
 
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Would you care to elaborate?

Are we giving him the benefit of the doubt and being light or are we over accusing him?

Pete Carroll didn't do anything wrong. Quite frankly, nobody did. It was an unfortunate situation that could happen to any team if they were at the center of the college football universe. Reggie Bush was already a Trojan and was already running wild on opposing defenses when the Lloyd Lake and Michael Michaels fiasco began. 'SC didn't benefit whatsoever. The idea that 'SC cheated to procure their enormous amount of talent is purely erronoeus and is contrived out of ravenous envy.
 
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me thinks they benefited by letting bush play despite the fact that one of the staff knew he was taking the money. or do you think SC goes to the NC game if bush is inelegible in 2005?
 
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me thinks they benefited by letting bush play despite the fact that one of the staff knew he was taking the money. or do you think SC goes to the NC game if bush is inelegible in 2005?

Who knows? That's not the point. If Bush doesn't accept the money, he still suits up in '05.
 
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Who knows? That's not the point. If Bush doesn't accept the money, he still suits up in '05.

i see. so as long as the kid would have suited up anyway it shouldn't be a violation? interesting logic. you don't think that someone might want to go to a school where they know the coaching staff will sit by and do nothing why they take money?
 
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i see. so as long as the kid would have suited up anyway it shouldn't be a violation? interesting logic. you don't think that someone might want to go to a school where they know the coaching staff will sit by and do nothing why they take money?

Any proof, the account of a convicted felon notwithstanding, McNair knew?
 
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how about multiple phone calls between lake and mcnair, mcnair knowing bush was an "intern" at his firm, and a photo showing them partying together? edit: also how about a reporter directly telling a compliance officer that bush was taking money?
 
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Pete Carroll didn't do anything wrong. Quite frankly, nobody did. It was an unfortunate situation that could happen to any team if they were at the center of the college football universe. Reggie Bush was already a Trojan and was already running wild on opposing defenses when the Lloyd Lake and Michael Michaels fiasco began. 'SC didn't benefit whatsoever. The idea that 'SC cheated to procure their enormous amount of talent is purely erronoeus and is contrived out of ravenous envy.

You must be Mike Garrett II. Preposterous! Of course looking at your avatars shows that.
 
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