Want To Talk About Watergate? Talk About Obama, Not Trump.

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Facts, plus interesting points and perspective from ole' Rush.

Rush: Want To Talk About Watergate? Talk About Obama, Not Trump. | Daily Wire

"The Barack Obama administration not only tried to bug the Trump campaign, they succeeded. The Obama administration succeeded in planting an informant in the Trump campaign. This, we know. It's been confirmed," said Limbaugh. "We don't know who, but we know that it happened. We don't know the timing yet. We don't know at what stage of the campaign the informant was planted in the Trump campaign, but we know that it happened."

"So if you want to draw a Watergate parallel, you have to draw the parallel not to Trump. Trump hasn't bugged anybody. Trump has not planted listening devices," said Rush. "Trump does not have informants. He did not have informants in the Hillary campaign. That was all Obama! Nixon's Plumbers, they left a bug inside the headquarters; it didn't work. Obama put an actual human being in Trump's campaign! Nixon knew nothing about the Plumbers. But what did Obama know about the mole in the Trump campaign and when did he know it?"

"So if you really want to draw the Watergate analogy, it points right to Barack Obama," he concluded. "Note: None of that is being investigated. Not a single shred of it. Not a morsel of that is being investigated. In fact, I believe that this entire investigation of Trump is actually a cover-up of what the Obama intelligence community - Department of Justice, FBI - did to try to nail Trump during the campaign and to corrupt his transition period after he won the election to destroy or paralyze his presidency."
 
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It's interesting how the left hates Nixon so much even though Nixon created the epa, was pro price controls, favored paper money based on "faith", etc, all things on every proggie wish list. LBJ would run circles around Nixon for corruption. Must be the mascot on the uniform.
 
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Vol0725 said:
Facts, plus interesting points and perspective from ole' Rush.

Rush: Want To Talk About Watergate? Talk About Obama, Not Trump. | Daily Wire

"The Barack Obama administration not only tried to bug the Trump campaign, they succeeded. The Obama administration succeeded in planting an informant in the Trump campaign. This, we know. It's been confirmed," said Limbaugh. "We don't know who, but we know that it happened. We don't know the timing yet. We don't know at what stage of the campaign the informant was planted in the Trump campaign, but we know that it happened."

"So if you want to draw a Watergate parallel, you have to draw the parallel not to Trump. Trump hasn't bugged anybody. Trump has not planted listening devices," said Rush. "Trump does not have informants. He did not have informants in the Hillary campaign. That was all Obama! Nixon's Plumbers, they left a bug inside the headquarters; it didn't work. Obama put an actual human being in Trump's campaign! Nixon knew nothing about the Plumbers. But what did Obama know about the mole in the Trump campaign and when did he know it?"

"So if you really want to draw the Watergate analogy, it points right to Barack Obama," he concluded. "Note: None of that is being investigated. Not a single shred of it. Not a morsel of that is being investigated. In fact, I believe that this entire investigation of Trump is actually a cover-up of what the Obama intelligence community - Department of Justice, FBI - did to try to nail Trump during the campaign and to corrupt his transition period after he won the election to destroy or paralyze his presidency."
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This hasn't been established at all. If there was an informant in the Trump campaign, he was most likely put there by the FBI in their ongoing investigation of Paul Manafort. So, this is just Limbaugh doing what he has always done... Presenting speculation and supposition as fact. He was the main source of the "Vince Foster was murdered by the Clintons" theories in the 90's. Then, just as now, he is full of s***.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This hasn't been established at all. If there was an informant in the Trump campaign, he was most likely put there by the FBI in their ongoing investigation of Paul Manafort. So, this is just Limbaugh doing what he has always done... Presenting speculation and supposition as fact. He was the main source of the "Vince Foster was murdered by the Clintons" theories in the 90's. Then, just as now, he is full of s***.
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So hang on a minute. You think it was related to Manafort? Ok let’s pursue that path. We are taking about the 2016 election timeframe. Manafort was investigated earlier for stuff from 2005 but not indicted until Mueller chose to do so. That is the case in Virginia fed court and from which Mueller referenced in the SDNY filings which are under dispute by the judge.

So under what authority would Mueller be investigated for during 2016 and once he left the campaign why wouldn’t somebody talk to candidate Trump’s people about this?

Sorry your timeline and rationale don’t wash.

If they had a plant in Trumps camp there has to be a FISA paper trail if it’s related to foreign intelligence concerns and if it isn’t foreign intelligence then what the hell is it for?

Edit: ok did a quick dig. It came out in Jan 2017 that he was being investigated and in fact wiretapped also. So if this is it there has to be a FISA paper trail.

On January 19, 2017, the eve of the Trump's presidential inauguration, it was reported that Manafort was under active investigation by multiple federal agencies including the Central Intelligence Agency, National Security Agency, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Director of National Intelligence and the financial crimes unit of the Treasury Department.[98] Investigations were said to be based on intercepted Russian communications as well as financial transactions.[99] It was later confirmed that Manafort was wiretapped by the FBI "before and after the [2016] election ... including a period when Manafort was known to talk to President Donald Trump." The surveillance of Manafort began in 2014, before Donald Trump announced his candidacy for President of United States
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So hang on a minute. You think it was related to Manafort? Ok let’s pursue that path. We are taking about the 2016 election timeframe. Manafort was investigated earlier for stuff from 2005 but not indicted until Mueller chose to do so. That is the case in Virginia fed court and from which Mueller referenced in the SDNY filings which are under dispute by the judge.

So under what authority would Mueller be investigated for during 2016 and once he left the campaign why wouldn’t somebody talk to candidate Trump’s people about this?

Sorry your timeline and rationale don’t wash.

If they had a plant in Trumps camp there has to be a FISA paper trail if it’s related to foreign intelligence concerns and if it isn’t foreign intelligence then what the hell is it for?

Edit: ok did a quick dig. It came out in Jan 2017 that he was being investigated and in fact wiretapped also. So if this is it there has to be a FISA paper trail.
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Thank you for finding that. That is what I remembered from this. I guess you are willing to agree that Limbaugh is full of manure then, right?

Sorry but hiring Manafort as campaign manager was just a bad idea. There were plenty of red flags about him. Without this hire (as well as Michael Flynn), I don't think there is a Trump campaign/Russian collusion probe. When does Trump accept some responsibility for this? Never. Witch hunt, fake news, hoax, blah blah blah...
 
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Thank you for finding that. That is what I remembered from this. I guess you are willing to agree that Limbaugh is full of manure then, right?

Sorry but hiring Manafort as campaign manager was just a bad idea. There were plenty of red flags about him. Without this hire (as well as Michael Flynn), I don't think there is a Trump campaign/Russian collusion probe. When does Trump accept some responsibility for this? Never. Witch hunt, fake news, hoax, blah blah blah...
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No idea what Rush is full of but I’ll admit when this FBI mole stuff surfaced I immediately thought to Watergate level mindset. If it wasn’t Manafort via a FISA warrant then what the hell was it. Because if it’s not legal you have a sitting president spying on a candidate?

The story has legs now so we’ll see where it goes. If it wasn’t legal people are gonna burn for it.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Thank you for finding that. That is what I remembered from this. I guess you are willing to agree that Limbaugh is full of manure then, right?

Sorry but hiring Manafort as campaign manager was just a bad idea. There were plenty of red flags about him. Without this hire (as well as Michael Flynn), I don't think there is a Trump campaign/Russian collusion probe. When does Trump accept some responsibility for this? Never. Witch hunt, fake news, hoax, blah blah blah...
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Nothing Manafort has been charged with would merit the FBI placing an informant in the Trump camp.

As for Trump accepting some responsibility for Manafort what exactly are you looking for? He cut ties with him long ago. The witch hunt stuff is the Trump/Russia stuff which you indicate you don't believe is real so in effect you are agreeing with Trump.

There's going to need to be a massively big reason to plant some one in an opposition candidate's team. I'm not surprised DoJ and the FBI are circling the wagons on this. It's getting pretty deep.
 
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Nothing Manafort has been charged with would merit the FBI placing an informant in the Trump camp.

As for Trump accepting some responsibility for Manafort what exactly are you looking for? He cut ties with him long ago. The witch hunt stuff is the Trump/Russia stuff which you indicate you don't believe is real so in effect you are agreeing with Trump.

There's going to need to be a massively big reason to plant some one in an opposition candidate's team. I'm not surprised DoJ and the FBI are circling the wagons on this. It's getting pretty deep.
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I was paraphrasing the Trump line... Hell yeah, it's real.

Manafort was clearly in the cross hairs of the FBI long before the Trump campaign began. He was being monitored. It appears Trump and Co. were caught up in this surveillance which is just his tough luck.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
No idea what Rush is full of but I’ll admit when this FBI mole stuff surfaced I immediately thought to Watergate level mindset. If it wasn’t Manafort via a FISA warrant then what the hell was it. Because if it’s not legal you have a sitting president spying on a candidate?

The story has legs now so we’ll see where it goes. If it wasn’t legal people are gonna burn for it.
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The story only has one leg - and it's on the right.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I was paraphrasing the Trump line... Hell yeah, it's real.

Manafort was clearly in the cross hairs of the FBI long before the Trump campaign began. He was being monitored. It appears Trump and Co. were caught up in this surveillance which is just his tough luck.
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You are completely speculating the plant was because of Manafort.

However, nothing he's been charged with would come anywhere close to the FBI taking this extreme step.

I repeat - there will need to be a massive and compelling justification for doing this. Every citizen should want to know the details.
 
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volinbham said:
You are completely speculating the plant was because of Manafort.

However, nothing he's been charged with would come anywhere close to the FBI taking this extreme step.

I repeat - there will need to be a massive and compelling justification for doing this. Every citizen should want to know the details.
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I admit that I'm speculating (at least I'm not calling speculation a fact like Limbaugh) but it is the most likely explanation for why there would have been a "mole" planted in the Trump campaign by the FBI.
 
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volinbham said:
You seriously don't have any concerns when the FBI plants a mole inside an opposition candidate's team?
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And sure, we should have concerns and want to know exactly what happened. I just think the explanation is more likely to be a completely legitimate reason that was lawful.
 
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Vol0725 said:
Facts, plus interesting points and perspective from ole' Rush.

Rush: Want To Talk About Watergate? Talk About Obama, Not Trump. | Daily Wire

"The Barack Obama administration not only tried to bug the Trump campaign, they succeeded. The Obama administration succeeded in planting an informant in the Trump campaign. This, we know. It's been confirmed," said Limbaugh. "We don't know who, but we know that it happened. We don't know the timing yet. We don't know at what stage of the campaign the informant was planted in the Trump campaign, but we know that it happened."

"So if you want to draw a Watergate parallel, you have to draw the parallel not to Trump. Trump hasn't bugged anybody. Trump has not planted listening devices," said Rush. "Trump does not have informants. He did not have informants in the Hillary campaign. That was all Obama! Nixon's Plumbers, they left a bug inside the headquarters; it didn't work. Obama put an actual human being in Trump's campaign! Nixon knew nothing about the Plumbers. But what did Obama know about the mole in the Trump campaign and when did he know it?"

"So if you really want to draw the Watergate analogy, it points right to Barack Obama," he concluded. "Note: None of that is being investigated. Not a single shred of it. Not a morsel of that is being investigated. In fact, I believe that this entire investigation of Trump is actually a cover-up of what the Obama intelligence community - Department of Justice, FBI - did to try to nail Trump during the campaign and to corrupt his transition period after he won the election to destroy or paralyze his presidency."
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Rush? The hypocrite dick that used is employees perscriptions to obtian narcotic painkillers. What a damn big joke! Shameful. :crazy::rolleyes:
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I admit that I'm speculating (at least I'm not calling speculation a fact like Limbaugh) but it is the most likely explanation for why there would have been a "mole" planted in the Trump campaign by the FBI.
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No, it’s only the “most likely” in your eyes, because it shields the corruption within our federal justice ranks.

If you can’t concede the malfeasance witnessed in the FBI and the DoJ in the past 2 years, you’re certifiably delusional.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I admit that I'm speculating (at least I'm not calling speculation a fact like Limbaugh) but it is the most likely explanation for why there would have been a "mole" planted in the Trump campaign by the FBI.
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Manafort left in August 16. The FBI claims the drunk ramblings of Papadopolous in July 16 were the reason for opening the Trump campaign investigation. Hard to imagine it was a Manafort intel operation that was instigated and operationalized in less than a month from even getting a clue to look into something.

So they either put someone in the campaign before there was any Russia concern or the FBI is lying about the motivation for the investigation or...

Manafort joined in March of 16 - the timeline doesn't add up for this to be a "we're here to spy on Manafort" rationale.
 
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One of the things Comey said on this "me" tour that has stuck with me is that he preferred Hillary because (paraphrasing) she was onboard with how the government does law and order.

Just a speculation thought but perhaps the IC was anti-Trump because they feared he and the outsiders he brought with him might be shocked (and not supportive) of how the IC operates. Hillary was steeped in and bought in. A true outsider might expose some of the depths of what's going on. Snowden gave a glimpse. Clapper lied to Congress about spying on US citizens (under questioning by Wyden). Trump was a threat to the IC status quo while Hillary was a product of it.

Just throwing it out there.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The story only has one leg - and it's on the right.
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If you’re right it dies quickly. If it does have legs and goes on its as bad as Watergate if they don’t have a valid legal reason that stands up to scrutiny. Simple as that.

Listen. I don’t want to see anything Watergate level out of either camp. But if they did it they need to fry.
 
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