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Since we already have people starting threads asking folks not to "go negative" after having our hats handed to us by Bama, I want to go ahead and let this thought that I've been sitting on out there now.

I do not believe that Derek Dooley will ever win an SEC championship at UTK. Maybe, if the landscape changes significantly his odds may improve but I do not see him ever bettering the top coaches in this conference and, as much as those guys get paid, I do not see any of them leaving any time soon. I think Dooley can, in a couple of years, roll off some 8-9 win seasons, after which time we are going to have to decide whether that sort of result is good enough. Real Vols know the answer now, it's not good enough. The main reason that everyone gives for keeping Dooley is that a 4th coach in five seasons will wreck the program and set it back even further. I personally would rather start over now with someone who can beat the Sabans of this sport on the recruiting trail and on the field than to spend the next four or five years farting around with somebody who might manage to take us from the cellar to the middle of the pack. At this point, nobody can convince me that it can get any worse than it is now. As always, JMO. GBO!
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Since we already have people starting threads asking folks not to "go negative" after having our hats handed to us by Bama, I want to go ahead and let this thought that I've been sitting on out there now.

I do not believe that Derek Dooley will ever win an SEC championship at UTK. Maybe, if the landscape changes significantly his odds may improve but I do not see him ever bettering the top coaches in this conference and, as much as those guys get paid, I do not see any of them leaving any time soon. I think Dooley can, in a couple of years, roll off some 8-9 win seasons, after which time we are going to have to decide whether that sort of result is good enough. Real Vols know the answer now, it's not good enough. The main reason that everyone gives for keeping Dooley is that a 4th coach in five seasons will wreck the program and set it back even further. I personally would rather start over now with someone who can beat the Sabans of this sport on the recruiting trail and on the field than to spend the next four or five years farting around with somebody who might manage to take us from the cellar to the middle of the pack. At this point, nobody can convince me that it can get any worse than it is now. As always, JMO. GBO!
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well said
 
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you have to put talent out there that can automatically win 10 games a season...that should be the mark UT should be held up to...if you can put 10 win teams on the field every year, then occasionally you will be able to win all 12 for a national title and 10 keeps you alive every year for an SEC title...if we put teams on the field that can only win 8 games, we will turn ourselves into UGA, Arkansas, Auburn (most years, last year was fluke because they had Newton)...those teams are not UT...we should be in conversation with Bama, LSU, and UF...the 4 of us should be the torchbearers for the conference...too bad we are the only one of those 4 who has had no success as of late
 
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I want Bill cower,I know thats unrealistic but if we got him we would be unstoppable in recruiting and on the field but GIVE DOOLEY A COUPLE MORE YEARS!
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Since we already have people starting threads asking folks not to "go negative" after having our hats handed to us by Bama, I want to go ahead and let this thought that I've been sitting on out there now.

I do not believe that Derek Dooley will ever win an SEC championship at UTK. Maybe, if the landscape changes significantly his odds may improve but I do not see him ever bettering the top coaches in this conference and, as much as those guys get paid, I do not see any of them leaving any time soon. I think Dooley can, in a couple of years, roll off some 8-9 win seasons, after which time we are going to have to decide whether that sort of result is good enough. Real Vols know the answer now, it's not good enough. The main reason that everyone gives for keeping Dooley is that a 4th coach in five seasons will wreck the program and set it back even further. I personally would rather start over now with someone who can beat the Sabans of this sport on the recruiting trail and on the field than to spend the next four or five years farting around with somebody who might manage to take us from the cellar to the middle of the pack. At this point, nobody can convince me that it can get any worse than it is now. As always, JMO. GBO!
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This. Well said. Dooley's the transition coach. He'll leave plenty of talent for the next coach though.
 
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You neglected to tell us who this mighty new coach will be. Last time we threw open the door, few if any, of the big names were interested. In business, if you identify a problem you need to suggest the solution, in detail.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Since we already have people starting threads asking folks not to "go negative" after having our hats handed to us by Bama, I want to go ahead and let this thought that I've been sitting on out there now.

I do not believe that Derek Dooley will ever win an SEC championship at UTK. Maybe, if the landscape changes significantly his odds may improve but I do not see him ever bettering the top coaches in this conference and, as much as those guys get paid, I do not see any of them leaving any time soon. I think Dooley can, in a couple of years, roll off some 8-9 win seasons, after which time we are going to have to decide whether that sort of result is good enough. Real Vols know the answer now, it's not good enough. The main reason that everyone gives for keeping Dooley is that a 4th coach in five seasons will wreck the program and set it back even further. I personally would rather start over now with someone who can beat the Sabans of this sport on the recruiting trail and on the field than to spend the next four or five years farting around with somebody who might manage to take us from the cellar to the middle of the pack. At this point, nobody can convince me that it can get any worse than it is now. As always, JMO. GBO!
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That's spot on, Hillbilly. :hi:

I'd like to say I called this, but you already know that and it doesn't help or change the reality you summarized. I hope we consider moving on sooner rather than later as well. That's not negative... just realistic.

I also still think Dooley would be an awesome AD and would totally trust him to hire the guy who replaced him. As a spokesperson for UT and as an administrator, I think he's world class. Just not at that level as a coach.

Nothing personal against CDD supporters... just keeping it real.
 
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OP post is flawed...just does not make sense. If DD can coach and recruit, then whether he makes 1MM or 4MM has no impact on the results. You are simply churining the pot, we settled this last week. All true Vol fans agreed that DD needs to get his recruits on the field, from Freshman to Senior, and then let him show his stuff for a couple of seasons.....after that you can use your influence to can him.

Flawed logic....why bring it up today man.
 
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You should probably tell someone that has some pull like a big donor or something cuz I don't believe anyone here does. All I know is that when everyone was healthy on our team we were really good. I think that with everyone healthy we could of gotten 8-9 wins this year. Imagine when we have quality depth. That could lead to us being up there with the LSU and Bamas of this conference. Your untitled to your opinion but how you can tell that Dooley won't get us there is beyond me. Dooleys got out coached one game and that was UGA I hope he learned from it
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Name one, just one, viable candidate who would have the level of qualifications you want and be willing and able to turn things around in 18 months. Maybe, just maybe, you could convince Chaney or Wilcox to step up but I would think they would bail as well. You may not like Dooley and you may never like Dooley, but he will be here for at least 4 years so you may as well get used to it.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Since we already have people starting threads asking folks not to "go negative" after having our hats handed to us by Bama, I want to go ahead and let this thought that I've been sitting on out there now.

I do not believe that Derek Dooley will ever win an SEC championship at UTK. Maybe, if the landscape changes significantly his odds may improve but I do not see him ever bettering the top coaches in this conference and, as much as those guys get paid, I do not see any of them leaving any time soon. I think Dooley can, in a couple of years, roll off some 8-9 win seasons, after which time we are going to have to decide whether that sort of result is good enough. Real Vols know the answer now, it's not good enough. The main reason that everyone gives for keeping Dooley is that a 4th coach in five seasons will wreck the program and set it back even further. I personally would rather start over now with someone who can beat the Sabans of this sport on the recruiting trail and on the field than to spend the next four or five years farting around with somebody who might manage to take us from the cellar to the middle of the pack. At this point, nobody can convince me that it can get any worse than it is now. As always, JMO. GBO!
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I'm not sure why people keep saying that Dooley can't recruit. He's filling our roster full of 4 stars which is the bread and butter of any championship team. Fulmer had (4) 4 star players his last recruiting team and Kiffin's class is all but gone. Most of all the players that are playing on Saturday are young Dooley recruits and most are all 4 star players. He's averaging about (11) 4 star players every year so far.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Since we already have people starting threads asking folks not to "go negative" after having our hats handed to us by Bama, I want to go ahead and let this thought that I've been sitting on out there now.

I do not believe that Derek Dooley will ever win an SEC championship at UTK. Maybe, if the landscape changes significantly his odds may improve but I do not see him ever bettering the top coaches in this conference and, as much as those guys get paid, I do not see any of them leaving any time soon. I think Dooley can, in a couple of years, roll off some 8-9 win seasons, after which time we are going to have to decide whether that sort of result is good enough. Real Vols know the answer now, it's not good enough. The main reason that everyone gives for keeping Dooley is that a 4th coach in five seasons will wreck the program and set it back even further. I personally would rather start over now with someone who can beat the Sabans of this sport on the recruiting trail and on the field than to spend the next four or five years farting around with somebody who might manage to take us from the cellar to the middle of the pack. At this point, nobody can convince me that it can get any worse than it is now. As always, JMO. GBO!
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Ok but remember all the big time coaches that did not want to come here when Kiffin left. They knew it was a mess. You can thank Fulmer and Kiffin for this mess. Dooley can get it done. The seniors on this team is Fulmer's last recruiting class. (great senior leadership there) The juniors on this team is Kiffin's recruiting class (what's left of them) The sophs. are what Dooley came in here with 2 weeks left in recruiting when Kiffin left us 2 weeks before signing day and kept together.
 
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Yes let's start over. The only question I have is how many coaches turn us down this time?
 
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Jmavols2 said:
You should probably tell someone that has some pull like a big donor or something cuz I don't believe anyone here does. All I know is that when everyone was healthy on our team we were really good. I think that with everyone healthy we could of gotten 8-9 wins this year. Imagine when we have quality depth. That could lead to us being up there with the LSU and Bamas of this conference. Your untitled to your opinion but how you can tell that Dooley won't get us there is beyond me. Dooleys got out coached one game and that was UGA I hope he learned from it
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We weren't good enough to beat a bad Florida team.
 
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utmba93 said:
That's spot on, Hillbilly. :hi:

I'd like to say I called this, but you already know that and it doesn't help or change the reality you summarized. I hope we consider moving on sooner rather than later as well. That's not negative... just realistic.

I also still think Dooley would be an awesome AD and would totally trust him to hire the guy who replaced him. As a spokesperson for UT and as an administrator, I think he's world class. Just not at that level as a coach.

Nothing personal against CDD supporters... just keeping it real.
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Actually, if I have the memory or the motivation, I would dig up the posts where you claimed you were jumping on the Dooley bandwagon and sipping the kool-aid. Make up your damn mind. Either way, it's too soon to judge what he can do with a competitive roster, which he happens to be building.
 
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So, people want Coach Dooley to be our "Mike Schula" -- son of a famous coach, place-holder until the big-time coach comes in and takes us to glory?

Unfortunately, that's easier said than done
 
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