Vols have 16th best roster

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unfrozencvmanvol said:
At the moment for 2022, per Athlon Sports.

Ranking College Football's Rosters for 2022

Again, one marvels at the overall strength of the SEC. The average ranking of SEC teams is 20.5.
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One begins to wonder, given the still relatively low population density of the Southeastern US, how much a role the culture of high school football plays in producing so many good players such that the region’s college teams consistently perform so well. By culture, I mean 10,000 people showing up every year to see Alcoa and Maryville play. I mean the fact that 1 of every two boys in my High School class (I went to Alcoa, Go Tornadoes) was on the football team.

I think of it relative to the debate over why men’s soccer in the US isn’t more competitive on the world stage: as many have argued, it isn’t simply that our better male athletes get siphoned off by other sports; it’s the lack of infrastructure, the youth academies and teams. That being said it would be interesting to see data on participation in peewee football, etc. across the Southeast relative to other regions of the country.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Yes, that is the most accurate measure. It is usually released right before the season. We were 19th on the team talent composite last year so I don't think it's that much of a stretch that we could be as high as 16th this year.
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I wouldn't hazard a guess. I just hope that Heupel and crew are as good at player development as it seemed in the first year.
 
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Mtnvol80 said:
You don't go 1-16 against a team unless you're out talented, out coached or both. It's impossible
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It has been talent sometimes but coaching pretty much always except when Cut was around. I think the staff Kiffin pulled together outcoached some folks. IMO, Fulmer without Cut ONLY won when he out-talented the other team and when he stopped being able to out recruit everyone... he ran the program into the ditch where it has been for years.
 
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Mtnvol80 said:
1 win in 17 tries has zero to do with luck. Go buy 17 lottery tickets and win 16 times
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You must have missed how the breaks haven’t gone our way. Anytime the ball bounces whether off the ground a player’s hands or a helmet luck is involved. I’d say we have experienced some bad luck when it comes to losing to Florida so often.
 
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Vol in Buckeye Land said:
One begins to wonder, given the still relatively low population density of the Southeastern US, how much a role the culture of high school football plays in producing so many good players such that the region’s college teams consistently perform so well. By culture, I mean 10,000 people showing up every year to see Alcoa and Maryville play. I mean the fact that 1 of every two boys in my High School class (I went to Alcoa, Go Tornadoes) was on the football team.

I think of it relative to the debate over why men’s soccer in the US isn’t more competitive on the world stage: as many have argued, it isn’t simply that our better male athletes get siphoned off by other sports; it’s the lack of infrastructure, the youth academies and teams. That being said it would be interesting to see data on participation in peewee football, etc. across the Southeast relative to other regions of the country.
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States on the East coast tend to be smaller in landmass and higher in population density than those on the west coast. Most college/pro talent in the NBA comes from states with the biggest cities.


If you look at the biggest states by population pro talent pretty much tracks. Where you see outliers in states that "overproduce" talent compared to some above them it's because they are fairly small states by landmass compared to population density. Alaska and Montana are both top 4 in landmass but not even top 40 in population. Florida and Georgia are both top 8 population but not even top 20 in landmass. Texas and California are outliers. Most of the population in the US is on the east coast by a large margin if you factor that in. Those 2 states are so big and so highly populated it throws the numbers off..

TLDR If you look at population/landmass the east coast is more densely populated than the west coast. If you look at population/landmass and put that list in order the level of talent in football/basketball tracks linearly.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
You must have missed how the breaks haven’t gone our way. Anytime the ball bounces whether off the ground a player’s hands or a helmet luck is involved. I’d say we have experienced some bad luck when it comes to losing to Florida so often.
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Oh there were a few games we should have won know doubt but, again, losing 16 out of 17 has nothing to do with luck or refs or anything else. It's getting owned. It's a damn near statistical impossibility
 
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Mtnvol80 said:
Oh there were a few games we should have won know doubt but, again, losing 16 out of 17 has nothing to do with luck or refs or anything else. It's getting owned. It's a damn near statistical impossibility
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I see you don’t understand the luck factor in football. That’s fair.
 
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pimo1 said:
States on the East coast tend to be smaller in landmass and higher in population density than those on the west coast. Most college/pro talent in the NBA comes from states with the biggest cities.


If you look at the biggest states by population pro talent pretty much tracks. Where you see outliers in states that "overproduce" talent compared to some above them it's because they are fairly small states by landmass compared to population density. Alaska and Montana are both top 4 in landmass but not even top 40 in population. Florida and Georgia are both top 8 population but not even top 20 in landmass. Texas and California are outliers. Most of the population in the US is on the east coast by a large margin if you factor that in. Those 2 states are so big and so highly populated it throws the numbers off..

TLDR If you look at population/landmass the east coast is more densely populated than the west coast. If you look at population/landmass and put that list in order the level of talent in football/basketball tracks linearly.
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The West is certainly less dense than the East. I’m talking about the Southeast specifically, which while not as sprawling as the Western US is still moreso than the rest of the East. The Southeast is less dense than the Northeast by far and slightly less dense than the midwest. That used to be more pronounced than it is, as cities like Charlotte, Nashville, and Atlanta are driving the Southeast to catch up with the Midwest. The Western US is, of course, another story.

Also, we’re talking football, not basketball, so I don’t know what the NBA has to do with it. In basketball the Northeastern states seem to fare better, while in football, not so much. How many star football players come out of Louisiana vs Massachusetts (the latter of which has a larger, and far more dense, population)?
 
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Vol in Buckeye Land said:
The West is certainly less dense than the East. I’m talking about the Southeast specifically, which while not as sprawling as the Western US is still moreso than the rest of the East. The Southeast is less dense than the Northeast by far and slightly less dense than the midwest. That used to be more pronounced than it is, as cities like Charlotte, Nashville, and Atlanta are driving the Southeast to catch up with the Midwest. The Western US is, of course, another story.

Also, we’re talking football, not basketball, so I don’t know what the NBA has to do with it. In basketball, the Northeastern states seem to fare better, while in football, not so much. How many star football players come out of Louisiana vs Massachusetts (the latter of which has a larger, and far more dense, population)?
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Actually, that's a lot less true than you might think. FL, GA, and weirdly NC are a lot denser than one might think. They are also top talent producers by a long shot. The south does have a more focused culture around football basketball and baseball. Compared to other regions that have a lot more sports that are taken seriously. A kid from the south is rarely gonna be interested in winter sports. So even though states in the northeast and midwest might have similar population density there is a lot more focus on weirdo sports we don't really do down here. Also if you look at a census and compare say 2010 census numbers to 2020 populations in the southeast have grown a lot.

I'll use my home Chattanooga as an example. From 1980-1990 the population of Chattanooga Metro was pretty much the same and was actually declining slightly around 300k. But between 1990-now its been on a steady incline up to around 425k. In those 80-90's the time I was in middle-high school we probably produced like 1-2 legit D1 players per year for football and basketball combined with an occasional blue-chip guy once every 5 or so years.. Nowadays it's not rare to see multiple kids from Chattanooga in that high 3-star to low 4-star range with 1 blue chip guy almost every year. The same is true across the south where small towns have become big towns and small cities.

The southeast is a lot different these days compared to the 80s and 90s but most people still think of it in that way. Think about how many places near you that used to be po-dunks 10-20 years ago but not so much anymore. Dalton, Marietta, Athens, Cleveland, Alpharetta. The same is true in a lot of places across the south. Seriously do some searches on state populations currently compared to 2010, 2000,1990, 1980 it will surprise you.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Yes, that is the most accurate measure. It is usually released right before the season. We were 19th on the team talent composite last year so I don't think it's that much of a stretch that we could be as high as 16th this year.
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If we were 19th in team talent last year they must just use some type of strata and have chimps draw names out of a hat.
 
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ftsandersvol said:
If we were 19th in team talent last year they must just use some type of strata and have chimps draw names out of a hat.
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They go player by player and use the recruit's high school ranking, problem is 19th in the country is still middle of the pack talent wise in the SEC.
 
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