Vols fans welcome the return to a pro-style offense

#26
#26
There isn't anything wrong with the spread and you can damn sure be efficient and prolific running out of it. Auburn has a fantastic system as does Riley's Oklahoma. The issue was that Butch's offense made no sense, especially without DeBord calling plays. Far too often we were going deep with the guys least capable of doing so. Our run game was pathetically simple and even more predictable. We rarely made use of the TE position to alleviate some of the pressure against the run. We rarely ever ran counters or had a pulling guard. We rarely had motion or tried to disguise our formations. The passing game was largely vertically based and took forever to develop. It was basically just, here's what we have if you stop it you stop it. DeBord was better than I gave him credit for but I still think there were many better choices out there after 2014. Scott was an absolute disaster.
 
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Its a superior offense, always has been. I read a study a few years ago that showed both Brady and Manning's QB Rating was over 10+ points higher when running play action.
Jones and his flunkies didn't even know how to execute that properly.
 
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volsfan125 said:
I guess I'm in the minority, I prefer the spread. The spread is unstoppable when executed properly with the right personnel. We didn't have the right offensive coordinator last year and it showed, just like in 08 and 05. I was concerned when Botch promoted Scott. I thought running Botch's read option style offense was not the right scheme for the QB's we had. I thought an Art Briles style air raid (I'm not saying we should have hired Art Briles) was the best type scheme for the players we had. With that types of offense we could run or pass depending on a great many factors. Remember that was an offense in 15 that was leading the nation in offense until they lost 2 QB to injuries then put up over 300 yds rushing in their bowl game with a 3rd string QB leading the team. Last year FAU running the Briles style offense (Kendal Briles was the OC and called plays not Kiffin) was top 15 in the country even ahead of a Clay Helton led USC offense. Bad scheme, poorly coached players running the offense, along with the toxic atmosphere that Botch created last year lead to the historical collapse down the stretch that lead to the team quitting.
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Did you know you spelled his name wrong? Like a lot too, not just once.
 
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To the point of the OP:

One, I didn't buy Jones' pitch in '13 or '14. I was skeptical. Remained skeptical as he assembled then squandered a lot of talent. And was glad for UT when he was finally cut loose. He had some vain notion that he was reinventing football and specifically the SEC. So he wanted to "craft" his players a certain way through the "fine points of playing winning football", the newest S&C trends, sleep studies, nutrition control, etc.

Two, I'm not sure we know exactly what UT's O will look like. To an extent, they have to play with what they have. They've added strength and size to the OL and TE positions. Sounds like they want to have an HB or FB. I think that's all positive but it doesn't mean we're going to see a Pro-I offense.

volsfan125 said:
I guess I'm in the minority, I prefer the spread. The spread is unstoppable when executed properly with the right personnel. We didn't have the right offensive coordinator last year and it showed, just like in 08 and 05. I was concerned when Botch promoted Scott. I thought running Botch's read option style offense was not the right scheme for the QB's we had. I thought an Art Briles style air raid (I'm not saying we should have hired Art Briles) was the best type scheme for the players we had. With that types of offense we could run or pass depending on a great many factors. Remember that was an offense in 15 that was leading the nation in offense until they lost 2 QB to injuries then put up over 300 yds rushing in their bowl game with a 3rd string QB leading the team. Last year FAU running the Briles style offense (Kendal Briles was the OC and called plays not Kiffin) was top 15 in the country even ahead of a Clay Helton led USC offense. Bad scheme, poorly coached players running the offense, along with the toxic atmosphere that Botch created last year lead to the historical collapse down the stretch that lead to the team quitting.
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The spread has been an equalizer because there are more small, fast, quick guys out there than big, fast, and quick guys. The primary reason that kind of spread doesn't work in the SEC... is that a lot of those big, fast, and quick guys... play in the SEC. Jones favored finesse over power. That's a tendency in spread option O's because of what the OL is often asked to do.

Personally... I don't like the spread option. I like downhill running like Wisconsin and (don't shoot me) UGA have traditionally used.
 
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volsfan125 said:
Yes I know. I did intentionally. It's a play on is name. Butch "botch"ed everything he put his hands on. Same thing as Dooley=Fooley
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Oh wow haha that's a good one. I was just like, oh man this guy is going to be so embarrassed, he just keeps doing it. But I see what you did, because Butch sounds like botch and botch is a bad thing. Same with fooley, like jeez, where do you get this stuff lol.
 
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Honestly the worst part about it wasn't that we were running the spread, but that Butch Jones recruited blue-chip players that fit more in a pro-style offense, and then tried to hammer square pegs into round holes.

Chip Kelly succeeded in Oregon because he recruited the right players for his system. Same deal with Mike Leach at T-Tech and WSU. Butch wanted to go after blue-chip recruits, but really gave too little thought to how they fit into the offense. Then we he got them, he never modified the offense to suit their strengths.

This is why, ironically, in spite of running a spread for 5 years, our personnel is probably better suited for a pro-style offense.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Honestly the worst part about it wasn't that we were running the spread, but that Butch Jones recruited blue-chip players that fit more in a pro-style offense, and then tried to hammer square pegs into round holes.

Chip Kelly succeeded in Oregon because he recruited the right players for his system. Same deal with Mike Leach at T-Tech and WSU. Butch wanted to go after blue-chip recruits, but really gave too little thought to how they fit into the offense. Then we he got them, he never modified the offense to suit their strengths.

This is why, ironically, in spite of running a spread for 5 years, our personnel is probably better suited for a pro-style offense.
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Agree with this 100%. There was nothing more infuriating than having Butch trying to tell anyone who would listen that his system could work with a pro-style QB.
 
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I've always liked a more traditional style like the pro style or any I-formation over any spread type offense. Seems to me you can control the game better with those types.
Of course my favorite is any true option offenses where you run the ball about 70-80% of the time but that's just me.
 
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Not technology savy enough to put the meme up that shows a guy cracking open a cold one in pure happiness knowing that good things are ahead!
So... YES I welcome it!
 
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Coach_Z said:
Oh wow haha that's a good one. I was just like, oh man this guy is going to be so embarrassed, he just keeps doing it. But I see what you did, because Butch sounds like botch and botch is a bad thing. Same with fooley, like jeez, where do you get this stuff lol.
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Coach_Z got his trollin’ motor fired up!
 
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I think people discount Helton's time with WKU and focus on USC. He will be a lot more "spread" than people think. It would he dumb to return to 90s ball. Most pro teams operate out of the shotgun 50% of the time anyway.
 
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I for one would love to see UT get the ball to start the game Saturday and pound the rock play after play with about a 16 play drive that eats up 8 or 9 minutes and scores a TD while Grier and the high octane WVU offense stands on the sideline with nothing to do but fume and fidget.
 
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ptclaus98 said:
There isn't anything wrong with the spread and you can damn sure be efficient and prolific running out of it. Auburn has a fantastic system as does Riley's Oklahoma. The issue was that Butch's offense made no sense, especially without DeBord calling plays. Far too often we were going deep with the guys least capable of doing so. Our run game was pathetically simple and even more predictable. We rarely made use of the TE position to alleviate some of the pressure against the run. We rarely ever ran counters or had a pulling guard. We rarely had motion or tried to disguise our formations. The passing game was largely vertically based and took forever to develop. It was basically just, here's what we have if you stop it you stop it. DeBord was better than I gave him credit for but I still think there were many better choices out there after 2014. Scott was an absolute disaster.
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Butch Jones had a permanent Monkey on his back, but he was admired by Vol fans




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Well maybe not
 
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#45
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Tennessee's "new" offense is a complete balanced attack - running the ball up the gut, off tackles, and sweeping outside accompanied by passing both short and deep. Lose on of these, and the effectiveness of the other two is compromised. May we be blessed with QBs who get'r done.
 
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Stopped reading at "Even when you had faith in Butch Jones back in 2013 and 2014" because I never had faith in Butch Jones.
 
#49
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The read option here didn't work because the QBs after Dobbs never ran the ball. The defense just hammered our back in the backfield and we were always chasing the chains.
 
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I’ve always thought Tennessee should pattern itself after the successful pro offenses and defenses. We won’t have the same skill level as pro teams but we should be recruiting players who have the ability to play professionally and we can tell them they will learn what it takes to play in the NFL.
 
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