VOLS can still win the east.....

#76
#76
i think KY in Lexington on the last game of the year will be as daunting as a task as that's ever been for Tennessee.
 
#77
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jakez4ut said:
i think KY in Lexington on the last game of the year will be as daunting as a task as that's ever been for Tennessee.
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One team might be extremely motivated to go out a winner, the other team might be quite motivated to just get the season over with.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
It has nothing to do with "faith" or not wanting the team to win; it has to do with what needs to happen for this team going forward. We've played four important games so far, and we've been blown out in three of them. Florida losing to Georgia or South Carolina wouldn't change anything about the state of our football program. I want Tennessee to win the rest of our games, of course, but we would still need to clean house as much as we do right now.

And as far as being a Red Sox fan....well, it's easy to have faith when you have a $160m payroll, isn't it? Are you actually from Boston, or just another front-runner?
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I was born into being a Red Sox fan...my Father is from Boston.......so NO im not a front runner....im a real legit fan who doesnt hop on teams when they win.....thank!:thumbsup:
 
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Neyland's Ghost said:
How can you say that? What is "righting the ship"? I mean hell, two years removed from 5-6 and the Vols would be back in the SEC CG and that is NOT righting the ship??? Come on. What kind of unrealistic expectations do you have?

I'm sorry and I don't mean this as a personal attack on you or anyone here, but there are some real crazy people out there if they want to look at a trip to the SEC CG, or a win in the SEC CG as not being a huge success. REGARDLESS of record, REGARDLESS of a 39 point loss 11 weeks earlier in the season, REGARDLESS of a loss to Alabama. Those losses suck and it's a shame they happened, but if Tennessee makes it to Atlanta, two years removed from 5-6 and you are still calling for Fulmer's head, you're a moron. (You, here isn't meant to be you personally, it's meant to mean ANYONE who would be silly enough to do it.)
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1. Playing in the SEC championship game doesn't mean anything unless you win it. Period. Celebrating an "SEC East title" is like a baseball team hanging a "Wild Card Champions!" banner in their stadium.

2. There has only been progress if you're willing to accept 2005 as the yardstick. Since 2001, we've been about an 8-4 team on average, right on the fringe of the top 25. We had a horrific losing year in there. And now that Coach Fulmer has had two years to right the ship....well, we're back to being about an 8-4 team, and we just fell out of the top 25 again.

3. My expectations aren't unrealistic. I expect us to win an SEC title every five years or so, and I expect us to play well enough to get an at-large bid to the BCS in some years where we don't. I expect us to be in the top 25 all of the time and the top 10 some of the time. I expect us to be competitive in almost all of our games (we've been blown out badly in four of our last eleven). I expect us to win bowl games, especially against ostensibly inferior opponents. None of this is unrealistic at Tennessee, I don't think, yet none of it is happening.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
1. Playing in the SEC championship game doesn't mean anything unless you win it. Period. Celebrating an "SEC East title" is like a baseball team hanging a "Wild Card Champions!" banner in their stadium.

2. There has only been progress if you're willing to accept 2005 as the yardstick. Since 2001, we've been about an 8-4 team on average, right on the fringe of the top 25. We had a horrific losing year in there. And now that Coach Fulmer has had two years to right the ship....well, we're back to being about an 8-4 team, and we just fell out of the top 25 again.

3. My expectations aren't unrealistic. I expect us to win an SEC title every five years or so, and I expect us to play well enough to get an at-large bid to the BCS in some years where we don't. I expect us to be in the top 25 all of the time and the top 10 some of the time. I expect us to be competitive in almost all of our games (we've been blown out badly in four of our last eleven). I expect us to win bowl games, especially against ostensibly inferior opponents. None of this is unrealistic at Tennessee, I don't think, yet none of it is happening.
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im not one to hang a banner for winning the East, but that comparison is not exactly true. the wild card is just that....a wild card. they don't win anything. they simply have a good enough record to be the best of the rest.

in the case of the SEC title game, the representatives are "winners" of their respective divisions. a better comparison would be to the division winners in baseball, cause it's the same thing.

in a vacuum, the SEC title game is a little like the super bowl. two teams representing as champions of their respective divisions to determine who wins the entire league.

so like i said, i'm not one for hanging a banner for it, but winning the East or West is an accomplishment for your season, cause w/out doing that first, you can't win the whole thing. so yes, it matters.
 
#82
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allvol said:
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. The Vols have 4 straight home games that are very winnable. Whilst UK has 2 tough road games ahead. I'm not so sure the Vols will be underdogs come gametime.
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Right now I think we would be about a 10pt dog.

You are right though, a lot of things could happen between now and then, but I don't think enough could happen to change the numbers that much. KY would have to stop scoring and start letting everyone score on them at will and we would have to do the opposite to change the stats enough to go from a 10pt dog to a favorite. Of course these are just my numbers and I could be way off, but I am usually pretty close to the number.


I feel pretty strong that we will be the dog in the KY game. :twocents:
 
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jakez4ut said:
im not one to hang a banner for winning the East, but that comparison is not exactly true. the wild card is just that....a wild card. they don't win anything. they simply have a good enough record to be the best of the rest.

in the case of the SEC title game, the representatives are "winners" of their respective divisions. a better comparison would be to the division winners in baseball, cause it's the same thing.

in a vacuum, the SEC title game is a little like the super bowl. two teams representing as champions of their respective divisions to determine who wins the entire league.

so like i said, i'm not one for hanging a banner for it, but winning the East or West is an accomplishment for your season, cause w/out doing that first, you can't win the whole thing. so yes, it matters.
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I just can't see it as an accomplishment in and of itself. Sure, you have to win the division first in order to win the SEC, but if you lose the game, all you get is a worse bowl bid than you otherwise would have. It's hard to feel like you "won" much of anything when the team that finished behind you (e.g., LSU behind Arkansas last year, Florida behind us in 2001, us behind Florida in 1999) is playing in a BCS bowl while you're playing at 1 pm on New Year's Day.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I just can't see it as an accomplishment in and of itself. Sure, you have to win the division first in order to win the SEC, but if you lose the game, all you get is a worse bowl bid than you otherwise would have. It's hard to feel like you "won" much of anything when the team that finished behind you (e.g., LSU behind Arkansas last year, Florida behind us in 2001, us behind Florida in 1999) is playing in a BCS bowl while you're playing at 1 pm on New Year's Day.
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me neither, hence no banner for making an appearance in ATL.

but i don't have a problem with anyone or any media outlet talking about how many times a team has won the division or being division winners etc....

it's kind of the same thing in pro sports....the braves won what 12 straight NL East divisions titles? they get all kinds of praise for that. it's also usually in the same conversation discussing how many WS titles they have. or the same thing for the conf. winners in the NFL.

it's an indication of having a good season, and i don't have a problem with that.

will i hang my hat on that? no. but like we've said, we can't win the whole thing w/out doing this first, so it's really the most important goal of any season. win the division, play for the c'ship.

should they make trophies and hand out rings...no.
 
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jakez4ut said:
me neither, hence no banner for making an appearance in ATL.

but i don't have a problem with anyone or any media outlet talking about how many times a team has won the division or being division winners etc....

it's kind of the same thing in pro sports....the braves won what 12 straight NL East divisions titles? they get all kinds of praise for that. it's also usually in the same conversation discussing how many WS titles they have. or the same thing for the conf. winners in the NFL.

it's an indication of having a good season, and i don't have a problem with that.

will i hang my hat on that? no. but like we've said, we can't win the whole thing w/out doing this first, so it's really the most important goal of any season. win the division, play for the c'ship.

should they make trophies and hand out rings...no.
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I think we're in agreement. By "winning the division is not an accomplishment," I mostly mean w/r/t the coaching staff, etc. If Florida blows it, and we back into the game and lose to LSU, we'll hear a lot about how "we won the east this year!", as if that somehow erases 100-37.
 
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smokedawg said:
Only if they win out ( BIG IF) and Florida loses another game to an SEC opponent. I really think that if Tennessee wins the rest of their games ( doubtful) then Fulmer will go no where. Its just a big toss up as to who is going to win the SEC east, but at this point Tennessee is not counted out.....


Go Vols.....:rock:
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For this to happen we have to play a complete football game against at least 2 teams (USC & UK) that have proven they can win a big game. The only teams we have played that are worth their salt, we have lost to. It's not out of the realm of possibility but after what I have seen this year... I dont think so. It doesnt matter what we believe the Vols can do... what matters is what they believe they can do. Can they shut down the 2 best running backs in the SEC against Arkansas and contain Woodson or at least outscore UK & can Fulmer beat Spurrier again. Im saying no but I 've been wrong before. This is all assuming Florida will lose to USC,Vandy, or Georgia. 3 teams that dont have near enough offense to keep up if the Gators are on their game.
 
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smokedawg said:
Only if they win out ( BIG IF) and Florida loses another game to an SEC opponent. I really think that if Tennessee wins the rest of their games ( doubtful) then Fulmer will go no where. Its just a big toss up as to who is going to win the SEC east, but at this point Tennessee is not counted out.....


Go Vols.....:rock:
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there out. 0% chance.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I think we're in agreement. By "winning the division is not an accomplishment," I mostly mean w/r/t the coaching staff, etc. If Florida blows it, and we back into the game and lose to LSU, we'll hear a lot about how "we won the east this year!", as if that somehow erases 100-37.
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not from me.
 
#89
#89
vol_sec said:
UF plays at UGA at 3:30, I think UGA has a good shot, despite that it looks like UF should easily win on paper. The crazy thing is that UT-USC could possibly be playing for #1 in the east come 7:45 Saturday.
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With UT and USC both having a win over UGA, and UK losing today the winner of tonights game is in the lead of the sec. east.

The East has slipped through UT's hands twice now, and they have a third shot, three times and you are out.
 
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