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The mistake Tennessee is making is the same one Derek Dooley made... trying to train offensive linemen to play all positions on the offensive line. PrI it says he is "building depth" with this approach. Any guy that has played college offensive line will tell you that every position is vastly different and require learning your specific assignments as well as those of the guy next to you so that the blockers came work as a team. The offenaive line has been a horrible failure so far because if this. I refuse to believe our talent level is as bad as the performance. If any one knows how to get this across to our coach, if you agree, please do so.
 
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Of all the things that Dooley sucked at (including not recruiting any OL one season), play of the OL was not an issue.

Entire defense, RBs, coaching, leadership, etc were issues though.

I don't know how effective Rock was (doesn't look very much just yet) but the S&C before him was awful. Maybe we need just one more year with CJP/Fitz S&C program to stop the bleeding.

As bad as OL is this year, it is actually much better than last season.

Also, we are playing too many FR. OL is one area where redshirting is almost a must.

If we can hold on to our OL recruits this cycle, that will go a long way towards getting us in the top half of the SEC OLs.
 
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Nicko said:
The mistake Tennessee is making is the same one Derek Dooley made... trying to train offensive linemen to play all positions on the offensive line. PrI it says he is "building depth" with this approach. Any guy that has played college offensive line will tell you that every position is vastly different and require learning your specific assignments as well as those of the guy next to you so that the blockers came work as a team. The offenaive line has been a horrible failure so far because if this. I refuse to believe our talent level is as bad as the performance. If any one knows how to get this across to our coach, if you agree, please do so.
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I don't know CFP seemed to have pretty good o-lines with this approach.
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
Of all the things that Dooley sucked at (including not recruiting any OL one season), play of the OL was not an issue.

Entire defense, RBs, coaching, leadership, etc were issues though.

I don't know how effective Rock was (doesn't look very much just yet) but the S&C before him was awful. Maybe we need just one more year with CJP/Fitz S&C program to stop the bleeding.

As bad as OL is this year, it is actually much better than last season.

Also, we are playing too many FR. OL is one area where redshirting is almost a must.

If we can hold on to our OL recruits this cycle, that will go a long way towards getting us in the top half of the SEC OLs.
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Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner folks
 
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Plausible Theory?: If you move the offensive lineman to multiple positions all the time, they never get to be reasonably good at any one position, they cannot "gel" as a unit, nor can they depend on the guy next to them to do their job. So, if we could build 3 of the 5-8 linemen we have into one reasonably good, partial unit, we would at least have 3/5 of an offensive line that can play some competitive ball. That's got to be better than what we have now.
If we make the left side really good, at least we have a chance that JG can get enough time to get a pass off and not get killed.
 
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This is not the problem. As CJP has said, you want you best available 5 OL on the field. If your 10th best guy is the backup center, is that who you want to play or do you want your #6 guy to come in.
What CJP is doing is the best approach but probably takes longer. Stop looking for quick fixes. They don't last. You always want O linemen that can play multiple positions. Great teams do this unless you are like Bama and there is not any drop off anywhere in your 2 deep lineup.
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
Of all the things that Dooley sucked at (including not recruiting any OL one season), play of the OL was not an issue.

Entire defense, RBs, coaching, leadership, etc were issues though.

I don't know how effective Rock was (doesn't look very much just yet) but the S&C before him was awful. Maybe we need just one more year with CJP/Fitz S&C program to stop the bleeding.

As bad as OL is this year, it is actually much better than last season.

Also, we are playing too many FR. OL is one area where redshirting is almost a must.

If we can hold on to our OL recruits this cycle, that will go a long way towards getting us in the top half of the SEC OLs.
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Blocking scheme from RPP vs Pro is a lot more complicated. I was reading some playbooks last night and almost felt sorry for the guys learning a new offense.
 
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basspond said:
Plausible Theory?: If you move the offensive lineman to multiple positions all the time, they never get to be reasonably good at any one position, they cannot "gel" as a unit, nor can they depend on the guy next to them to do their job. So, if we could build 3 of the 5-8 linemen we have into one reasonably good, partial unit, we would at least have 3/5 of an offensive line that can play some competitive ball. That's got to be better than what we have now.
If we make the left side really good, at least we have a chance that JG can get enough time to get a pass off and not get killed.
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Another plausible theory is that we don't have enough depth with enough SEC caliber talent to be able to afford the luxury of NOT cross training OL this year. We are marginal with the starters in all but 1 of the 5 OL positions...
 
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lego126 said:
Blocking scheme from RPP vs Pro is a lot more complicated. I was reading some playbooks last night and almost felt sorry for the guys learning a new offense.
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This combined with the fact that they're having to have some terrible tendencies coached out of them AND they mostly were recruited for a different type of offense is a HUGE problem. I really think some of our angry posters here don't completely understand the amount of issues Pruitt and co face.
 
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I'm gonna make an ass of myself here. This is an utterly ridiculous thread. The reason we're playing lineman out of position is entirely in response to the lack of depth. Pruitt can't help that he's inherited an absolute disaster of a roster, he's doing his best to address the issues. Pruitt deserves a chance before some of you idiots start mouthing off
 
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Nicko said:
The mistake Tennessee is making is the same one Derek Dooley made... trying to train offensive linemen to play all positions on the offensive line. PrI it says he is "building depth" with this approach. Any guy that has played college offensive line will tell you that every position is vastly different and require learning your specific assignments as well as those of the guy next to you so that the blockers came work as a team. The offenaive line has been a horrible failure so far because if this. I refuse to believe our talent level is as bad as the performance. If any one knows how to get this across to our coach, if you agree, please do so.
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Even with the Florida debacle, where we lost at least five offensive possessions, the Vols are still the 5th best rushing offense in the SEC. The Vols also have the longest run of any SEC school this year.

Give the O-line time. We're not there yet, but it's coming.
 
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Nicko said:
The mistake Tennessee is making is the same one Derek Dooley made... trying to train offensive linemen to play all positions on the offensive line. PrI it says he is "building depth" with this approach. Any guy that has played college offensive line will tell you that every position is vastly different and require learning your specific assignments as well as those of the guy next to you so that the blockers came work as a team. The offenaive line has been a horrible failure so far because if this. I refuse to believe our talent level is as bad as the performance. If any one knows how to get this across to our coach, if you agree, please do so.
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Fulmer did this as well and it worked for him
 
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lego126 said:
Blocking scheme from RPP vs Pro is a lot more complicated. I was reading some playbooks last night and almost felt sorry for the guys learning a new offense.
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Which is why each guy needs to learn his position well and know how to gel and work as a unit with the guy next to him
 
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Nicko said:
The mistake Tennessee is making is the same one Derek Dooley made... trying to train offensive linemen to play all positions on the offensive line. PrI it says he is "building depth" with this approach. Any guy that has played college offensive line will tell you that every position is vastly different and require learning your specific assignments as well as those of the guy next to you so that the blockers came work as a team. The offenaive line has been a horrible failure so far because if this. I refuse to believe our talent level is as bad as the performance. If any one knows how to get this across to our coach, if you agree, please do so.
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"As well as the guy next to you" ...sounds like a contradiction to me!3
 
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VolinDalton said:
Even with the Florida debacle, where we lost at least five offensive possessions, the Vols are still the 5th best rushing offense in the SEC. The Vols also have the longest run of any SEC school this year.

Give the O-line time. We're not there yet, but it's coming.
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This. If the O-line comes together by the SC game, the season won't be a complete disaster. We have a few weeks with some telling tests ahead. If the O-line can hold its own against any of our next 3 opponents, then I think we'll at least be able to make a bowl. I'd really like to see Pruitt distinguish himself from Butch Jones sooner rather than later, and he missed a rare opportunity against a bad Florida team.
 
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One recurring theme here is, I think, skewing most viewpoints. Trey Smith may be/ probably is our lineman with the most ability. Granted. But, remember that Smith was out of virtually all physical aspects of football for nine months. It is unfair to him to assume he is playing SEC level football right now. If he is not then the task ahead is even more difficult.
 
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Few would argue our strength in the now is running back. Given one of the basic principles of football is you look at your roster and choose a offense that features your strengths. Also how young this roster is, how insecure they appear, executing would seem to support that, you’d think you’d also want to choose a simplified offense. I’d suggest the two tights and a power I, it’s a pretty simple formation straight forward and it features our strengths. I’d teach every single position technique till the player can teach it. Then you’ve got a good base to start with. I’d love to see banks with a solid fullback blocker. Simplicity confidence success
 
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Nicko said:
The mistake Tennessee is making is the same one Derek Dooley made... trying to train offensive linemen to play all positions on the offensive line. PrI it says he is "building depth" with this approach. Any guy that has played college offensive line will tell you that every position is vastly different and require learning your specific assignments as well as those of the guy next to you so that the blockers came work as a team. The offenaive line has been a horrible failure so far because if this. I refuse to believe our talent level is as bad as the performance. If any one knows how to get this across to our coach, if you agree, please do so.
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Every school, and NFL team for that matter, cross trains their OL.
 
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Creamsicle82 said:
Every school, and NFL team for that matter, cross trains their OL.
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Pruitt philosophy is to play womever he thinks practiced the best the previous week. Stupid. Some guys are gamers and do not always practice well. Up to the coaches to find those guys
 
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