Vol Basketball Film Study #2 - Floppy Action

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Today I have another Vol Basketball Film Study For you.

Sorry it’s not a video. I just didn’t have time to film and edit, and I wanted to get this out before we see the team in action.

Today we are going to be looking at another one of Tennessee’s offensive sets, this one known as floppy action.

This was among our most commonly ran offensive actions last year, and for good reason. We had good personnel for this action, and we scored at a high clip using it.

In every game I reviewed film to make this video, we scored using this action. And in some games, we scored a lot of times with it.

I am very interested to see if that continues this season.

So let’s start off by getting clear on what Floppy action is.

FLOPPY ACTION

At its most basic level, floppy action is play where a good shooter starts under, or near the basket. And that player has multiple screening options they can choose from to get an open look.

There are multiple ways to design and run this action. The most common you are going to see in this video are where Chaz is the shooter near the basket, and he has the option to run through a single screen, as seen below...


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or he can take the stagger screen option. And for those of you at home that don’t know what a stagger screen is. A stagger screen is where two players are screening simultaneously, in a staggered positioning, creating a very challenging maze for a defender to navigate. Because the offensive player can go through both screens or split the screens, depending on whether his defender decides to go over or under the first screen. See example below.

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Another common way we ran this action was with two shooters near the basket. Most commonly Chaz and Gainey. And I found this version to be particularly effective because of all the additional options it gives to evade and confuse the opposing defense. See Example Below.

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QUICK HISTORY LESSON

For all intents and purposes, floppy action could be renamed to Curry action. Because it’s a play that Steph Curry ran heavily at Davidson under legendary coach Bob Mckillop.

And when Steve Kerr became the head coach of the Golden State Warriors, taking over for Mark Jackson, he basically implemented the same offense that Curry ran in college. That college offense, known as the 5 out motion offense, would go on to dominate the NBA, and usher in an offensive revolution, with most teams now copying it in some form or fashion.

And do you remember who we used to play in a closed scrimmage every year?

That’s right, Davidson. Back before Bob Mckillop retired.

So anyway, I think it’s safe to say, you can thank Bob for the plays we are about to see.

(NOTE: If you are on mobile, you might have to click the open button on the top right corner of the gifs to watch them)

1 Shooter Floppy Action - Pin Down Screen



On this first play we are going to focus on Chaz.

We see him navigate to the basket to start floppy, and he can double back and utilize a screen from Zakai, or utilize the stagger screen.

But instead he is going to choose to take the Pin Down screen from Igor, who was our best screener last year. And he is going to prove it on this play.

You’re going to see Johnell Davis, the defender wearing #1 here, motion to proactively call for a switch when he sees the pin down coming, but Igor totally seals off his man, preventing the switch, and leading to a wide open 3 for Chaz.


1 Shooter Floppy Action - Stagger Screen



Here you are going to see us run floppy early in the offense. Chaz is gonna be under the basket and can wait for the pin down screen from Cade, but he instead options to take the stagger screen, and get an open shot at the elbow.


1 Shooter Floppy Action - Double Team to Open 3



Gainey as the floppy man runs a head fake and into the stagger screen, gest doubled team and that creates a wide open shot for ZZ.


1 Shooter Floppy Action - Double Team to Dribble Drive



Chaz heads to the basket as the floppy man, chooses the stagger screen option, and draws so much attention as a shooter, it spreads the defense for ZZ to easily take his man off the dribble for a layup.


2 Shooter Floppy Action



Now we are going to look at the two shooter floppy variant, which I absolutely loved.

Here you’ll see Chaz and Gainey both go under the basket and screen for each other. And then both explode to take pin down screens from the forwards. Okpara sets a bone crushing screen and Gainey gets an easy elbow jumper.


2 Shooter Floppy Action - Open 3




Again, but this time the pin down from cade happens wider out so it enables an open 3


2 Shooter Floppy - Confuses Defense



Here you will see the two shooter floppy totally confuse the defense. And lead to an open 3. Notice how visibly frustrated Chad Baker-Mazara acts.


2 Shooter Floppy - Slip Screen




Now here you’ll see us get a little tricky with it. This is two shooter floppy where Chaz beats his primary defender, forcing Igor’s man to help. This allows Igor the easy cut to the basket for a wide open dunk.


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Alright so that wraps up this film study.

Now you’ll be able to recognize floppy when you see us run it this upcoming season.

And I actually think we’ll be able to run 2 player floppy a lot more this season, because we have 4 players on the roster that project to be decent to good shooters. Where as last year, we could only run it when we had both Chaz and Gainey in the game.

But anyway, that’s it for me. Until next time, go vols.
 
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Well I think I’ve screwed up the uploads. Doubt anyone on mobile can really see them. Oh well
We came see them, but they are juat still frames, not videos. Still, you got the point across in your words. A lot of our offensive makeup can be attributed to McKillop. He was prominent in that video I posted a few weeks ago.
 
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Bumping this thread. Couple things:

1. When Barnes said this year that he “wanted to get JG off the ball” sometimes, this is a big part of what he meant. He wanted to run JG (our best shooter) through the floppy action, and that meant he needed Boswell or someone else to be the point guard for those plays.

2. Watch Lundblade’s highlights and ask yourself if his 3-point style fits this floppy action theme.

3. Imagine Lundblade and Ames (or any combo of one of them and/or hill or Haralson or juke) as the 2-shooter variant of this offense.

4. Often late in second halves, RB likes to go away from the floppy and go to iso or ball screen sets, and just say “this one is almost hosed off, can you stop our best guy the last couple plays.” Now picture getting the lead with floppy action, and then holding it with Juke or Haralson or Hill or Ames out of iso sets or ball screen.

It’s tantalizing. IMO.

Also this thread was awesome and deserves to be resurrected.
 
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Bumping this thread. Couple things:

1. When Barnes said this year that he “wanted to get JG off the ball” sometimes, this is a big part of what he meant. He wanted to run JG (our best shooter) through the floppy action, and that meant he needed Boswell or someone else to be the point guard for those plays.

2. Watch Lundblade’s highlights and ask yourself if his 3-point style fits this floppy action theme.

3. Imagine Lundblade and Ames (or any combo of one of them and/or hill or Haralson or juke) as the 2-shooter variant of this offense.

4. Often late in second halves, RB likes to go away from the floppy and go to iso or ball screen sets, and just say “this one is almost hosed off, can you stop our best guy the last couple plays.” Now picture getting the lead with floppy action, and then holding it with Juke or Haralson or Hill or Ames out of iso sets or ball screen.

It’s tantalizing. IMO.

Also this thread was awesome and deserves to be resurrected.
Agree on all fronts.

Lundblade also needs even less time and space to get these off. He was used similarly off Belmont but getting shots off at a 40% clip running full speed. Bonkers.
 
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Yes Lundblade coming off these sets has great potential as he has length and a quick release as well as doesn’t have to gather himself to shoot, for example like Boswell has to.
 
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Bumping this thread. Couple things:

1. When Barnes said this year that he “wanted to get JG off the ball” sometimes, this is a big part of what he meant. He wanted to run JG (our best shooter) through the floppy action, and that meant he needed Boswell or someone else to be the point guard for those plays.

2. Watch Lundblade’s highlights and ask yourself if his 3-point style fits this floppy action theme.

3. Imagine Lundblade and Ames (or any combo of one of them and/or hill or Haralson or juke) as the 2-shooter variant of this offense.

4. Often late in second halves, RB likes to go away from the floppy and go to iso or ball screen sets, and just say “this one is almost hosed off, can you stop our best guy the last couple plays.” Now picture getting the lead with floppy action, and then holding it with Juke or Haralson or Hill or Ames out of iso sets or ball screen.

It’s tantalizing. IMO.

Also this thread was awesome and deserves to be resurrected.

As one does, I've been thinking a lot about our offense and what sets we might rely on as the roster has been building out.

With or without Juke, I think you can expect us to run a lot of floppy next year. We've got great personnel for it as it stands.

I was disappointed we didn't run more spain screens the past couple years, because we had great personnel for that (especially 2 years ago). But we FINALLY started doing it late last year, but still not nearly as much as I would have liked.

We should have ran more inverted pick and rolls with Nate. IDK why we didn't (kinda disappointed in him as a roller/cutter in general)

And the more NBA I watch, the more I feel the push/pull to want to see us run horns sets. But we likely never will because it's too complex.

Having said all that, if I were to bet right now what set we see a lot more of next year, it'll be 5 out sets. It's already something we've done a bit over the years. I guarantee it'll be a staple next year. We'll have an abundance of guys who can take their man off the dribble, and an abundance of guys that can punish the help defense by hitting an open shot.
 
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As one does, I've been thinking a lot about our offense and what sets we might rely on as the roster has been building out.

With or without Juke, I think you can expect us to run a lot of floppy next year. We've got great personnel for it as it stands.

I was disappointed we didn't run more spain screens the past couple years, because we had great personnel for that (especially 2 years ago). But we FINALLY started doing it late last year, but still not nearly as much as I would have liked.

We should have ran more inverted pick and rolls with Nate. IDK why we didn't (kinda disappointed in him as a roller/cutter in general)

And the more NBA I watch, the more I feel the push/pull to want to see us run horns sets. But we likely never will because it's too complex.

Having said all that, if I were to bet right now what set we see a lot more of next year, it'll be 5 out sets. It's already something we've done a bit over the years. I guarantee it'll be a staple next year. We'll have an abundance of guys who can take their man off the dribble, and an abundance of guys that can punish the help defense by hitting an open shot.
I hope you'll do more of these. I really enjoy them while learning a lot. It's one of the best things in the forum. Thanks, as always.
 
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As one does, I've been thinking a lot about our offense and what sets we might rely on as the roster has been building out.

With or without Juke, I think you can expect us to run a lot of floppy next year. We've got great personnel for it as it stands.

I was disappointed we didn't run more spain screens the past couple years, because we had great personnel for that (especially 2 years ago). But we FINALLY started doing it late last year, but still not nearly as much as I would have liked.

We should have ran more inverted pick and rolls with Nate. IDK why we didn't (kinda disappointed in him as a roller/cutter in general)

And the more NBA I watch, the more I feel the push/pull to want to see us run horns sets. But we likely never will because it's too complex.

Having said all that, if I were to bet right now what set we see a lot more of next year, it'll be 5 out sets. It's already something we've done a bit over the years. I guarantee it'll be a staple next year. We'll have an abundance of guys who can take their man off the dribble, and an abundance of guys that can punish the help defense by hitting an open shot.
It seems like when we run horns it’s just the basic horns pick n roll. And we probably run it like 5-10 times a year lol
 
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Yes Lundblade coming off these sets has great potential as he has length and a quick release as well as doesn’t have to gather himself to shoot, for example like Boswell has to.
Almost like Rick Barnes recruited the nations top shooter off floppy action last year on purpose
 
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Will Barnes be OK with Lund taking contested 3’s before the shot clock winds down? We’ve had great shooters almost every year but it seems like we’re unwilling to take a decent look unless it’s completely wide open or if the shot clock is about to expire. That has hurt our shooting percentages as much as anything.

I feel like you have to trust that a contested 3 that you are able to get off is as good as a wide open 3 before you see anyone put up Chris Lofton numbers.
 
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Will Barnes be OK with Lund taking contested 3’s before the shot clock winds down? We’ve had great shooters almost every year but it seems like we’re unwilling to take a decent look unless it’s completely wide open or if the shot clock is about to expire. That has hurt our shooting percentages as much as anything.

I feel like you have to trust that a contested 3 that you are able to get off is as good as a wide open 3 before you see anyone put up Chris Lofton numbers.
DK and Chaz launched whenever they wanted. So did JG at times but not at their level. We haven’t had other shooters we want taking those shots.
 
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Will Barnes be OK with Lund taking contested 3’s before the shot clock winds down? We’ve had great shooters almost every year but it seems like we’re unwilling to take a decent look unless it’s completely wide open or if the shot clock is about to expire. That has hurt our shooting percentages as much as anything.

I feel like you have to trust that a contested 3 that you are able to get off is as good as a wide open 3 before you see anyone put up Chris Lofton numbers.
Lund has an entire highlight reel that shows hes open as soon as he crosses halfcourt. As long as he's hitting those at a high clip, Barnes knows why he brought him in. If he begins to struggle, then he will be reined in.
 
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Lund has an entire highlight reel that shows hes open as soon as he crosses halfcourt. As long as he's hitting those at a high clip, Barnes knows why he brought him in. If he begins to struggle, then he will be reined in.
Barnes is good with hitting 4/10, which is the same as hitting 6/10 midrange. In his own words, don’t have to hit them all but can’t miss them all either. He will feed the hot hand, but in turn if 1-9 in a game and pulling up from 25 with no passes forcing the defense to work a little just a few seconds into the shot clock, he’d rather move the ball or penetrate and get to the ft line to see a couple go in.
 
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Will Barnes be OK with Lund taking contested 3’s before the shot clock winds down? We’ve had great shooters almost every year but it seems like we’re unwilling to take a decent look unless it’s completely wide open or if the shot clock is about to expire. That has hurt our shooting percentages as much as anything.

I feel like you have to trust that a contested 3 that you are able to get off is as good as a wide open 3 before you see anyone put up Chris Lofton numbers.
I’m going to respectfully disagree with this post depending on who’s shooting the 3. Barnes would sub out Chaz if they ran him off a screen for a 3 point shot and he didn’t take it. Recall CRB’s post game interview when he discussed pulling Chaz where CRB said to the effect - we paid him to come here and take that shot. He can sit on the bench if he’s not going to shoot it.
 
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I’m going to respectfully disagree with this post depending on who’s shooting the 3. Barnes would sub out Chaz if they ran him off a screen for a 3 point shot and he didn’t take it. Recall CRB’s post game interview when he discussed pulling Chaz where CRB said to the effect - we paid him to come here and take that shot. He can sit on the bench if he’s not going to shoot it.
That’s true enough. I wonder if Lundblade will have that kind of encouragement with as many scorers as we have coming in. This group is unlike what we’ve been used to seeing and I am curious about what green light each player earns. Maybe we’ll see a Vols team in which there is no bad shot as long as they look to the post first.. A high octane offense would be a refreshing sight.
 
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