Verbiage is too Complex

[doctorchoice]

Young players have very little idea of what to do. We run basically the same offense as Oregon. Except their offense takes eight days to learn and ours takes two and a half years. Consequently our execution is poor.

The same is true defensively. We make too many mistakes. It is almost as if our players are forced to learn Chinese before they can step on the football field. Look how often we have trouble lining up correctly.

We will probably never have enough depth when you account for injuries and attrition. In today's college football young players have to play.

 

[Nashvol2]

Young players have very little idea of what to do. We run basically the same offense as Oregon. Except their offense takes eight days to learn and ours takes two and a half years. Consequently our execution is poor.

The same is true defensively. We make too many mistakes. It is almost as if our players are forced to learn Chinese before they can step on the football field. Look how often we have trouble lining up correctly.

We will probably never have enough depth when you account for injuries and attrition. In today's college football young players have to play.

Ignorant assumption.

 

[VolNExile]

Weirdest thread title ever.

Which verbiage is too complex for whom? --other than the fact that the thread title is too complex for me. :crazy:

 

[doctorchoice]

Weirdest thread title ever.

Which verbiage is too complex for whom? --other than the fact that the thread title is too complex for me. :crazy:

The players. Debord compared learning Tennessee's playbook to learning a foreign language. It appears to me a lot of our roster doesn't know what to do. Consequently, we have less depth and make too many mistakes.

 

[GVol1966]

As usual OP some on here wasted no time attacking you and your post!

You may be right, or not I don't know, but we definitely have a problem somewhere. And it ain't just a bad O line as some think.

 

[sona]

I don't understand how that can be when we only utilize 5 plays.

 

[CountVolcula]

I don't understand how that can be when we only utilize 5 plays.

The 5 plays are written in Early Sumerian

 

[GAVol]

As usual OP some on here wasted no time attacking you and your post!

You may be right, or not I don't know, but we definitely have a problem somewhere. And it ain't just a bad O line as some think.

He pulled a premise out his rear end about "complex verbiage", yet he has no idea what the verbiage actually is and there are no reports of the offense being all that complicated. Forgive people for reacting.

 

[captain chaos]

The players. Debord compared learning Tennessee's playbook to learning a foreign language. It appears to me a lot of our roster doesn't know what to do. Consequently, we have less depth and make too many mistakes.

Zone read to rb on 1st down
Zone read to rb on 2nd down
Screen pass or out pattern on 3rd down
Punt

Thats complex?

 

[doctorchoice]

He pulled a premise out his rear end about "complex verbiage", yet he has no idea what the verbiage actually is and there are no reports of the offense being all that complicated. Forgive people for reacting.

I have obviously not seen the Tennessee playbook. Debord himself compared learning Tennessee's playbook to learning a foreign language. Butch also said that the great thing about it being year four was that every one knew what to do. That shouldn't take four years. I think it may explain why it takes so long for some of our players to be productive and explain why we make so many mistakes.

 

[GAVol]

I have obviously not seen the Tennessee playbook. Debord himself compared learning Tennessee's playbook to learning a foreign language. Butch also said that the great thing about it being year four was that every one knew what to do. That shouldn't take four years. I think it may explain why it takes so long for some of our players to be productive and explain why we make so many mistakes.

...or we just can't block anybody and don't even slightly stretch the defense.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

The 5 plays are written in Early Sumerian

We run 6 plays Count.

 

[doctorchoice]

...or we just can't block anybody and don't even slightly stretch the defense.

That's also possible. I am making an inference from what I've heard coaches say in interviews and from watching the team. I also thought that Dave Clawson's offense, Derek Dooley's offense, and Sal Sunseri's defense were hard for our players to pick up.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

So Western Michigan and Cincinnati student athletes are smarter than UT student athletes?

 

[doctorchoice]

So Western Michigan and Cincinnati student athletes are smarter than UT student athletes?

Butch has a similar record he did at Cincinnati if we go 9-3 this year. Butch talks about having a middle ground between the scheme being too simple and being too complex. I think its too complex if it is comparable to learning a foreign language. We need young players and Junior college transfers to help immediately if we are going to have enough depth.

 

[bschroederful]

Zone read to rb on 1st down
Zone read to rb on 2nd down
Screen pass or out pattern on 3rd down
Punt

Thats complex?

The hurry up and punt offense takes years to master.

 

[doctorchoice]

The hurry up and punt offense takes years to master.

That is the way it appears, but the way that Debord talks about it the verbiage is comparable to a foreign language. I think we need the younger players to be more productive and they can't be when its that hard to learn. We will never have enough depth if our freshmen and Junior College transfers can't play and contribute more.

 

[nash101]

Zone read to rb on 1st down
Zone read to rb on 2nd down
Screen pass or out pattern on 3rd down
Punt

Thats complex?

Except the first play is taught as "run to the hypotenuse of the Pythagorean angle as identified by Newton's third law"
The second play takes into account the non Euclidean theory that the shortest distance between two points is not a straight line
And then our pass plays requires receivers to put thier left foot in then take their left foot out. Find the first down marker and stop their route at least 3 meters short of it -- of course do the metrics to yards calculations in their head as they go and be able to recite that to Coach Z when they return to the sideline. If they can't then they won't be allowed to go back into the game.
And that's before we get to the line blocking assignments - that is another 10 pages of data for each of the 5 (or maybe 6 plays). That's the on,y reason we just don't hand out the plays on a post it note

 

[ShoalCreekVol]

I don't know if the complexity of the verbage is a problem or not just don't have enough information to know, but there's definitely something happening. The way the offensive line fails to grasp the most routine blocking in this system indicates that there's something they are not getting, even if they spent four years or 3 years in the system. Receivers also seem to have a lot of trouble.

 

[ptclaus98]

Young players have very little idea of what to do. We run basically the same offense as Oregon. Except their offense takes eight days to learn and ours takes two and a half years. Consequently our execution is poor.

The same is true defensively. We make too many mistakes. It is almost as if our players are forced to learn Chinese before they can step on the football field. Look how often we have trouble lining up correctly.

We will probably never have enough depth when you account for injuries and attrition. In today's college football young players have to play.

Lol, this is not the same offense as Oregon. We have the read option. The similarities end there.

 

[VolsRule]

When I played high school ball we ran the wing T and had 12 plays total!

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

When I played high school ball we ran the wing T and had 12 plays total!

I need your high school coach to come be our OC. Imagine what we could do with three times as many plays as we run now.