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TAF said:
THIS ^^^ to infinity...

As for all you Sunshine Pumpers and Homers...THIS ^^^ is how a TRUE, long-time VOL feels...me included!
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This can't make 18 feel very good... getting agreements and kudos from a Vandy puke. Of course, we know you're full of Shiite so he's off the hook.
 
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jwp1223 said:
I am so sick of this crap....So? What has Tennessee done in the past 5 years that relegates that a team will just roll over because we're Tennessee. You're an idiot.
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Easy easy....Utah State is a good little team...there...all better little champion? :ill_h4h:
 
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tim said:
Conversely we should have never beaten Scar either. Its football.
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Not true... but if it helps you sleep.

If you looked at the rosters before the season (as I did) you would have seen that USCe had as many big holes as UT did. Their schedule was not nearly as hard and they had some breaks go their way... but the two rosters were pretty evenly matched in overall talent and experience. Matchups in many ways favored UT.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not true... but if it helps you sleep.

If you looked at the rosters before the season (as I did) you would have seen that USCe had as many big holes as UT did. Their schedule was not nearly as hard and they had some breaks go their way... but the two rosters were pretty evenly matched in overall talent and experience. Matchups in many ways favored UT.
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So untrue.

Who has a better qb?
Who has a better RB?
Who has a better receiver corp?
Who has a more experienced secondary?
Who has Clowney?
 
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oregonvol said:
Yep, looks like an even tougher path to 6 wins next year than it was this year. But then, when you're fielding a team who loses at home to Vanderbilt and nearly loses to South Alabama too, you're always going to have a tough time.
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Aadd in a gifted game from Western Kentucky!
 
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sjt18 said:
Nope. It is true and the facts are readily available. But I have engaged enough of you who are unwilling to accept any criticism of the staff to know that you aren't really interested in the facts.
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The fact that you think this is true completely discredits anything reasonable you may say as that just comes across as "lucky" when taken in context with the rest of your ridiculous statements.

The only spots UT was even remotely more talented were at K,P and O-line.

Or as you would like to call them "the skill positions"
 
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sjt18 said:
Not true... but if it helps you sleep.

If you looked at the rosters before the season (as I did) you would have seen that USCe had as many big holes as UT did. Their schedule was not nearly as hard and they had some breaks go their way... but the two rosters were pretty evenly matched in overall talent and experience. Matchups in many ways favored UT.
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Seriously? Are you trolling? This is why you feel so let down. Did you listen to some of the senior players comments this season? How they didnt work out...? How they wish they had more time with this staff,,,?
 
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tim said:
Seriously? Are you trolling? This is why you feel so let down. Did you listen to some of the senior players comments this season? How they didnt work out...? How they wish they had more time with this staff,,,?
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trolling? You don't know me very well, do you?

I did. I also heard some of the same players declaring there was no staff they'd rather play for... LAST YEAR.
 
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sjt18 said:
Nope. It is true and the facts are readily available. But I have engaged enough of you who are unwilling to accept any criticism of the staff to know that you aren't really interested in the facts.
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I can appreciate your points and you had many of them. So tell me based off all that happened this season with players, injuries, schedule, and general coachdom what would you have done differently this season had you been in charge? Detail please how we could have gotten to 6 or more wins. Examples of play calling, practice scheduling, motivational ploys, coaching techniques, or anything really would be appreciated.

Not trying to be a smart allec, I would seriously like to hear your ideas.
 
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MustafaRasta said:
The fact that you think this is true completely discredits anything reasonable you may say as that just comes across as "lucky" when taken in context with the rest of your ridiculous statements.
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And I think you were just lecturing me about not knowing how to debate? Even if this were coherent... it would be devoid of logical reasoning.

The only spots UT was even remotely more talented were at K,P and O-line.

Or as you would like to call them "the skill positions"
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Nope mo. Skill positions are WR and RB.

And... that is not true. The fact that some of the groups underperformed and particularly on D does not mean they had no talent. Enough? No. Not to win the SEC or compete for the East. Enough? Yes to not look worse than an FCS school vs 4 teams and lose to Vandy... at home... with two weeks to prepare.
 
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BTW, if UT's coaches are in fact good and can develop talent then the Utah State game should not be close.
 
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sjt18 said:
And I think you were just lecturing me about not knowing how to debate? Even if this were coherent... it would be devoid of logical reasoning.



Nope mo. Skill positions are WR and RB.

And... that is not true. The fact that some of the groups underperformed and particularly on D does not mean they had no talent. Enough? No. Not to win the SEC or compete for the East. Enough? Yes to not look worse than an FCS school vs 4 teams and lose to Vandy... at home... with two weeks to prepare.
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Name four teams that wouldn't get run out of the stadium verses alabama, auburn, mizzou, and oregon.

Edit: forgot to add that said teams must be playing their 3rd string QB, who may or may not have a hurt hand in some of those games, and very young unproven WRs.
 
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MSME Vol said:
I can appreciate your points and you had many of them. So tell me based off all that happened this season with players, injuries, schedule, and general coachdom what would you have done differently this season had you been in charge?
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Strictly from the outside looking in and TRULY hoping that it was a strategy to play some guys while holding others back for development purposes...

I would have benched McCullers. Jones was right. UT's D went as McCullers went and he was inconsistent at best and at times a huge liability for the whole D. Miller and Walls have both played DT better than McCullers did this year.

A lot of what I see isn't just that easy though. It is just a lack of improvement which goes to practices that we don't get to see.

I would have also considered benching someone on the OL in favor of Crowder. When he played, he brought a level of aggression that was otherwise missing on that OL... too much standing around watching by those guys. My HS coach back in the brown boot days would have benched his best player if he'd done what those OL's did constantly. Jones said many times that the OL had to learn to finish... IOW's they didn't finish... yet when they continued to not do it he did nothing about it.

There's just a couple of things.

Detail please how we could have gotten to 6 or more wins. Examples of play calling, practice scheduling, motivational ploys, coaching techniques, or anything really would be appreciated.
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With his stated goal on the line I most certainly would not have played not to lose vs Vandy. He tried to "manage" the game against an inferior opponent. The result was that he kept them in the game then the won it at the end. Did he really think his D or DC were good enough to put the game in their hands at the end?

But again, that was somewhat limited because the back up QB even with a photographic memory and after 17 weeks of practice was not ready to execute. Only one WR was really ready to execute with any kind of consistency... and he got hurt. So they had painted themselves into a corner.



Not trying to be a smart allec, I would seriously like to hear your ideas.
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I truly appreciate that. I'd far rather have that kind of discussion or debate than the ones that get personal and avoid dealing with actual thoughts, facts, and reasoning.
 
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volfan_89 said:
Name four teams that wouldn't get run out of the stadium verses alabama, auburn, mizzou, and oregon.

Edit: forgot to add that said teams must be playing their 3rd string QB, who may or may not have a hurt hand in some of those games, and very young unproven WRs.
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I know you should be kidding here... but I don't think you are.

Arizona who was beaten by Washington State the week before and slaughtered by ASU the week after... beat Oregon 42-16. Their QB is described as a "dinker and dunker". Their top receiver and two of their top 4 were Freshmen. Their OL was nowhere near as talented as UT's and their D was no faster or more athletic.

Toledo, Indiana, and Arkansas State (with a brand new HC) all played Mizzou better than UT did.

Ga State and Co St both played Bama closer than UT did both statistically and on the scoreboard.

Ark St, Wa St, Ole Miss, MSU, and Ark all gave Auburn a better game than UT did. FAU who wasn't even a good mid-major team held Auburn to fewer rushing yards than UT did. And... Auburn didn't set return records against the other teams on their schedule.


I chose some of the most glaring examples in order to answer your comment at the end. Those teams were no better off than UT was yet they played those opponents better.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not true... but if it helps you sleep.

If you looked at the rosters before the season (as I did) you would have seen that USCe had as many big holes as UT did. Their schedule was not nearly as hard and they had some breaks go their way... but the two rosters were pretty evenly matched in overall talent and experience. Matchups in many ways favored UT.
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You've been posting that for months. It's flat out wrong.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yes. Are you? I just couldn't tell through all of the excuses and low expectations... How's that?

Yes I am a fan, and I wasn't making excuses, and yea my expectations was low because I live in the real world and know that we didn't have the "homerun hire" in a proven coach like a Saban or Kelly. Plus I've also paid attention to the last 3-4 years of recruiting and the level of talent we have on our roster!

I AM a UT fan.... just not sure I am a fan of this coaching staff yet based on their results. And- I know the difference between the two. Some of you apparently don't. You'll disrespect the players all day long but bristle at any and all criticism of the coaches.

I have never pulled a Dooley and disrespected any player! I support our players every week win or loose. They wanted to come and represent the university that I love, so I will respect and support them! But you can't sit there and get me to believe that this team should've been in the games with our schedule. They are not the level of talent that UT is accustomed to having in the glory years of the 90's -early 00's, and are not up to the talent level to compete with our schedule week in and week out with no depth!

The six wins most wanted was NOT too high. The willingness to accept any number of wins as long as the team was competitive and improved over the course of the year was DEFINITELY not too high.

I do not make excuses for the loses! I do agree that we should not have lost the Vady game. With that said our schedule was stacked against us early on. And I also believe ( not making a excuse, but living real world) that if Worley had not gotten injured we would've been in more games/ had closer games. He IMO was progressing and gettin better with playing time. That's just my opinion. We have no proven and consistent QB play.

Only a pathetically loser attitude would think 5 was acceptable or that 6 or 7 wins was too high of an expectation from that roster.
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And I'm not a pathetic looser and don't have that type
 
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sjt18 said:
I truly appreciate that. I'd far rather have that kind of discussion or debate than the ones that get personal and avoid dealing with actual thoughts, facts, and reasoning.
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Interesting observations. I agree with most all you said. IMO McCullers only really showed up in the south Carolina game. Go figure. A lot of what else went wrong had to do with an overall conservative attitude by Jones. He likes to play the numbers. But it is hard to do that and win consistently when you have few playmakers to back you up.

Seriously the only ones I would label playmakers this past season were North, Sutton, palardy, neal on seldom occasion, Randolph at times, and aj at times. Having only 6ish fully reliable players doesn't bode well.

All in all though, I can only hope as you do that the 13 season was all in the name of preparing for the future. Am I dissatisfied about this past year? Duh losing should always hurt, but I by no means feel ready to pass final judgement on this staff or players. Judging by your posts I don't think you are either. Just calling this season and this season alone as you saw it. Thanks for the insight.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yes. Are you? I just couldn't tell through all of the excuses and low expectations... How's that?
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Yes I am a fan, and I wasn't making excuses, and yea my expectations was low because I live in the real world and know that we didn't have the "homerun hire" in a proven coach like a Saban or Kelly. Plus I've also paid attention to the last 3-4 years of recruiting and the level of talent we have on our roster!

[/QUOTE= IAM a UT fan.... just not sure I am a fan of this coaching staff yet based on their results. And- I know the difference between the two. Some of you apparently don't. You'll disrespect the players all day long but bristle at any and all criticism of the coaches.[/QUOTE]

I have never pulled a Dooley and disrespected any player! I support our players every week win or loose. They wanted to come and represent the university that I love, so I will respect and support them! But you can't sit there and get me to believe that this team should've been in the games with our schedule. They are not the level of talent that UT is accustomed to having in the glory years of the 90's -early 00's, and are not up to the talent level to compete with our schedule week in and week out with no depth!

[/QUOTE= The six wins most wanted was NOT too high. The willingness to accept any number of wins as long as the team was competitive and improved over the course of the year was DEFINITELY not too high.[/QUOTE]

I do not make excuses for the loses! I do agree that we should not have lost the Vady game. With that said our schedule was stacked against us early on. And I also believe ( not making a excuse, but living real world) that if Worley had not gotten injured we would've been in more games/ had closer games. He IMO was progressing and gettin better with playing time. That's just my opinion. We have no proven and consistent QB play.

[/QUOTE=Only a pathetically loser attitude would think 5 was acceptable or that 6 or 7 wins was too high of an expectation from that roster.[/QUOTE]

And I'm not a pathetic looser and don't have that type of attitude, however like I said earlier, I live in the real world and wasn't goin to put to much stock into our season with the schedule, lack of QB leadership and lack if depth. Plus on top of all that we brought in a new coach with a new system and players that have been taught and recruited for the Dooley regime and systems.

And as far as the coaching staff goes, I believe they will turn our program around. I do however believe it will take time. A couple of years not 5-6 but years 2-3 we should be seeing results/improvements and in years 4-5 we should be IMO winning like the days of old that we ALL are accustomed to and desiring.
 
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sjt18 said:
I know you should be kidding here... but I don't think you are.

Arizona who was beaten by Washington State the week before and slaughtered by ASU the week after... beat Oregon 42-16. Their QB is described as a "dinker and dunker". Their top receiver and two of their top 4 were Freshmen. Their OL was nowhere near as talented as UT's and their D was no faster or more athletic.

Toledo, Indiana, and Arkansas State (with a brand new HC) all played Mizzou better than UT did.

Ga State and Co St both played Bama closer than UT did both statistically and on the scoreboard.

Ark St, Wa St, Ole Miss, MSU, and Ark all gave Auburn a better game than UT did. FAU who wasn't even a good mid-major team held Auburn to fewer rushing yards than UT did. And... Auburn didn't set return records against the other teams on their schedule.


I chose some of the most glaring examples in order to answer your comment at the end. Those teams were no better off than UT was yet they played those opponents better.
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Were any of those teams playing their 3rd string true freshman QB? Did any of those teams (other than ark. state) have a new hc?

And a loss is a loss. Whether a team loses 3-31 or 28-31 it doesn't really matter. Would you have been happy with so called moral victories against those teams?

I'm really not trying to be an a** or anything I just see things differently from you. I don't see how given the circumstances that any team would've played much better in those games. The only thing I have problem from this season coaching wise was the Florida game.
 
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