UT v UGA v UF (Long)

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I think we all agree the SEC East is a 3 horse race heading into 2016. I thought I would rank, based on personal opinion, UT, UF and UGA at each position group for 2016 and 2016 alone. I will also being giving weights to certain groups and adding up a point system to rank the teams.

QB:
1. UT 2. UGA 3. Fla
Dobbs is the clear choice here. Eason is clearly talented, moreso than Del Rio... hence the choice.

RB:
1a. UT 1b. UGA 3. Fla
Copped out here... If chubb is healthy, he and Michel are very talented and productive. We all know how good Kamara and Hurd are. Watch out for Mark Thompson... Juco transfer is a stud

WR/TE:
1. UT 2. UGA 3. Fla
UT while unproven has the most upside here. UGA close second. The gators, especially with Callaway and Harris still suspended, a distant 3rd

OL:
1. UT 2. UGA 3. Fla
Florida will be improved up front, none the less... worse than UGA and UT. UT slightly ahead of UGA after a large improvement and some cohesion.

DL:
1. UF 2. UT 3. UGA
Florida will reload and be very strong, UT has a slight depth issue at tackle but has the best player among the 3 in Barnett. UGA will be solid.

LB:
1. UT 2.UF 3.UGA
UT is not as deep as UF, but the fact that they mostly play with two LBs and have 2 complete studs is something I wont ignore. UF's Jarrad Davis will break out. UGA lost everyone and, while talented, will have a lot to prove.

DBs:
1. UF 2.UT 3.UGA
UF is loaded in the secondary. UT is also loaded, the return of Gaulden cannot be over stated. UGA returns some guys...

ST:
1. UT 2. UGA 3. UF
UT is the best in the country or close. UGA has mckenzie who can break it any time. Florida's new kicker is ridiculous.

Bottom line: Tennessee should be the best offense in the east.
UGA will run it very well, but will need a true freshman QB to play really well to score enough to win big games.
UF will need to scrape together points and yards... Mcelwain was able to until the last 3 games last season.

UF is reloaded on D but lost 5 of their 7 or 8 best defensive players. They have something to prove but have elite talent and a reputation behind them.
UT has the talent and the wildcard in new DC Bob Shoop. If those two factors gel like Vol fans hope... watch out.
UGA was good on paper last year but lacked something to me. Be it killer instinct or what have you, they didn't seem to be able to dominate a game or make enough plays against the higher tier opponents. They lost a ton in the front 7, but remain very talented.

I think UT is the clear favorite but I also think Florida is getting overlooked due the their last 3 games of 2015 and lack of playmakers. If they can manufacture points, that D will keep them in most every game. UGA is the third best team here to me. Outside of a ridiculous RB core, they don't scare you much on either side of the ball.
 
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TBtheGBwiththeTD said:
I think we all agree the SEC East is a 3 horse race heading into 2016. I thought I would rank, based on personal opinion, UT, UF and UGA at each position group for 2016 and 2016 alone. I will also being giving weights to certain groups and adding up a point system to rank the teams.

QB:
1. UT 2. UGA 3. Fla
Dobbs is the clear choice here. Eason is clearly talented, moreso than Del Rio... hence the choice.

RB:
1a. UT 1b. UGA 3. Fla
Copped out here... If chubb is healthy, he and Michel are very talented and productive. We all know how good Kamara and Hurd are. Watch out for Mark Thompson... Juco transfer is a stud

WR/TE:
1. UT 2. UGA 3. Fla
UT while unproven has the most upside here. UGA close second. The gators, especially with Callaway and Harris still suspended, a distant 3rd

OL:
1. UT 2. UGA 3. Fla
Florida will be improved up front, none the less... worse than UGA and UT. UT slightly ahead of UGA after a large improvement and some cohesion.

DL:
1. UF 2. UT 3. UGA
Florida will reload and be very strong, UT has a slight depth issue at tackle but has the best player among the 3 in Barnett. UGA will be solid.

LB:
1. UT 2.UF 3.UGA
UT is not as deep as UF, but the fact that they mostly play with two LBs and have 2 complete studs is something I wont ignore. UF's Jarrad Davis will break out. UGA lost everyone and, while talented, will have a lot to prove.

DBs:
1. UF 2.UT 3.UGA
UF is loaded in the secondary. UT is also loaded, the return of Gaulden cannot be over stated. UGA returns some guys...

ST:
1. UT 2. UGA 3. UF
UT is the best in the country or close. UGA has mckenzie who can break it any time. Florida's new kicker is ridiculous.

Bottom line: Tennessee should be the best offense in the east.
UGA will run it very well, but will need a true freshman QB to play really well to score enough to win big games.
UF will need to scrape together points and yards... Mcelwain was able to until the last 3 games last season.

UF is reloaded on D but lost 5 of their 7 or 8 best defensive players. They have something to prove but have elite talent and a reputation behind them.
UT has the talent and the wildcard in new DC Bob Shoop. If those two factors gel like Vol fans hope... watch out.
UGA was good on paper last year but lacked something to me. Be it killer instinct or what have you, they didn't seem to be able to dominate a game or make enough plays against the higher tier opponents. They lost a ton in the front 7, but remain very talented.

I think UT is the clear favorite but I also think Florida is getting overlooked due the their last 3 games of 2015 and lack of playmakers. If they can manufacture points, that D will keep them in most every game. UGA is the third best team here to me. Outside of a ridiculous RB core, they don't scare you much on either side of the ball.
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You overlooked Vandy and their inability to get 1st downs
 
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Can't get on board with your assessment of the OL. As of now UT hasn't decided on LT and Robertson is coming back from injury. Is Kendrick good enough to start in SEC? Hope I'm wrong, but not sure UT is the best of the three teams at OL.
 
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Top Gun said:
Can't get on board with your assessment of the OL. As of now UT hasn't decided on LT and Robertson is coming back from injury. Is Kendrick good enough to start in SEC? Hope I'm wrong, but not sure UT is the best of the three teams at OL.
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or wr
 
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Top Gun said:
Can't get on board with your assessment of the OL. As of now UT hasn't decided on LT and Robertson is coming back from injury. Is Kendrick good enough to start in SEC? Hope I'm wrong, but not sure UT is the best of the three teams at OL.
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I question that as well.
 
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I'll add that I still look for UGA to have a dominant OL. Richt was good at having a good line for his RB's. I know they changed up a bit last year, but he had some big ol boys playing on the line.
 
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Neyland Law Vol said:
UGA should be 1 on the OL.
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No way, they waaaay underperformed as a unit. Starters were benched, positions were shuffled, they were unable to produce TDs for 4 straight games. Their OL has serious issues to be resolved.
 
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Remy said:
No way, they waaaay underperformed as a unit. Starters were benched, positions were shuffled, they were unable to produce TDs for 4 straight games. Their OL has serious issues to be resolved.
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I agree. They were overrated and lost both tackles.

UT had its second best rushing season of all time and cut sacks in half from terrible prior year. With assumed step forward they should be top 5 SEC
 
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Until proven otherwise should be 3rd on the wide receiver ranking. Think our top wide out had 400 and change receiving. Some of that is QB related but hard to blame QB when defense stops our routes at the line.
 
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Remy said:
No way, they waaaay underperformed as a unit. Starters were benched, positions were shuffled, they were unable to produce TDs for 4 straight games. Their OL has serious issues to be resolved.
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Sam Pittman will have a bigger effect on this unit than i think you are considering. They are 4 and 5 star players. Just need a little coaching. Pittman is one of the best.
 
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"Florida & Georgia talent wise are better than Tennessee...I don't buy that the Vols are a national title contender" - @CFBMatrix
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This guy isn't buying the Hype on TN for 2016. Says based on his numbers we are still a couple years away from championships.
 
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on paper and on the field are two different things...it's still gonna be tough winning the east, but we have as good a chance as Georgia or Florida...this is our year!

GO BIG ORANGE!
 
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Neyland Law Vol said:
This guy isn't buying the Hype on TN for 2016. Says based on his numbers we are still a couple years away from championships.
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Neyland Law Vol said:
Five year recruiting rankings:

Of course Alabama's No. 1 in 5-year recruiting rankings, but Baylor's the most improved power - SBNation.com
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i'm firmly in the wait and see camp. but i gotta say the analytics that's out there trying to predict the season outcome...mercy. enough already.

there's more to this game than just the recruiting rankings or whatever metric you want to use.

if htat's the case, then we should have not beaten UGA last year, and we shouldn't have been all that competitive with FL, GA or Bama either.

bottom line for me is very simple....for the first time in a long time there won't be a giant talent/experience gap. so let's play the games and see what happens.
 
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CoaxialOrange said:
Until proven otherwise should be 3rd on the wide receiver ranking. Think our top wide out had 400 and change receiving. Some of that is QB related but hard to blame QB when defense stops our routes at the line.
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This.

WR is the only ranking I disagree with. I'd put Florida #1 simply because Antonio Callaway is better than anybody on UT or UGA.
 
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Neyland Law Vol said:
Five year recruiting rankings:

Of course Alabama's No. 1 in 5-year recruiting rankings, but Baylor's the most improved power - SBNation.com
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Barely no one from the 2012 class is still playing on this team or many others. Half the elite guys who made up the 2013 class for most of the top schools in the rankings are already off to the NFL.

5 year recruiting average is a dumb way to look at the talent on THIS team.

The only reason it is reasonably accurate in most cases is because most teams recruit at roughly the same level every year (see Alabama being #1 every year). So whether you go by 5 year or 4 year ranking averages, you typically get the same number. HOWEVER for some teams (like us), our talent is concentrated in 2-3 classes making a 5 year average inaccurate.

Almost all of our starters in 2016 will be from the 2013, 2014, and 2015 recruiting classes. Two of them being top 5 classes.

Thus our talent level is underestimated in the 5 year average because it treats all 5 years equally. As though our lineup will have an equivalent number of RS SR, SR, JR, SO, and FR.

In terms of actual talent on the field, we're top 5 in the country next year.
 
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Neyland Law Vol said:
UGA should be 1 on the OL.
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Especially if their center returns this year. He's a really solid player.

Seriously, our offensive line has a chance to be the best in the East. So do our receivers, especially with the expected emergence of Preston Williams. Our offense as a whole IS the best in the East. Our defensive line is close to being the best in the East, depending on Tuttle's healthy return. We have the best linebackers in the East. Sutton is back and we're comparable to any secondary with the athletes we have around him.

We're at least AS good as everyone we play this year, and better than most. It may be hard to believe because we haven't been able to say that in quite sometime but it's true now.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Barely no one from the 2012 class is still playing on this team or many others. Half the elite guys who made up the 2013 class for most of the top schools in the rankings are already off to the NFL.

5 year recruiting average is a dumb way to look at the talent on THIS team.

The only reason it is reasonably accurate in most cases is because most teams recruit at roughly the same level every year (see Alabama being #1 every year). So whether you go by 5 year or 4 year ranking averages, you typically get the same number. HOWEVER for some teams (like us), our talent is concentrated in 2-3 classes making a 5 year average inaccurate.

Almost all of our starters in 2016 will be from the 2013, 2014, and 2015 recruiting classes. Two of them being top 5 classes.

Thus our talent level is underestimated in the 5 year average because it treats all 5 years equally. As though our lineup will have an equivalent number of RS SR, SR, JR, SO, and FR.

In terms of actual talent on the field, we're top 5 in the country next year.
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This. The majority of our contributors will come from the two top 5 classes. They were both big classes too. I remember one year when USC finished ranked 15th in the country in recruiting.....thing was though, they had a 4 star average for those players, but they only signed 15 players that year making that class lower ranked even though the quality of players they got was the best in the country.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Barely no one from the 2012 class is still playing on this team or many others. Half the elite guys who made up the 2013 class for most of the top schools in the rankings are already off to the NFL.

5 year recruiting average is a dumb way to look at the talent on THIS team.

The only reason it is reasonably accurate in most cases is because most teams recruit at roughly the same level every year (see Alabama being #1 every year). So whether you go by 5 year or 4 year ranking averages, you typically get the same number. HOWEVER for some teams (like us), our talent is concentrated in 2-3 classes making a 5 year average inaccurate.

Almost all of our starters in 2016 will be from the 2013, 2014, and 2015 recruiting classes. Two of them being top 5 classes.

Thus our talent level is underestimated in the 5 year average because it treats all 5 years equally. As though our lineup will have an equivalent number of RS SR, SR, JR, SO, and FR.

In terms of actual talent on the field, we're top 5 in the country next year.
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one of the very few things you've posted, that i actually agree with 100%.
 
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