UT Games with a lasting impression on college football

[UT1794]

With tomorrow's game against LSU, it got me thinking about that debacle in 2010. For those who don't remember, we won the game (with too many men on the field), but the play was reviewed and a penalty assessed after the unpenalized play was over. I'm pretty sure nothing like that had happened in college ball up until that point in time, or at least that I've seen.

There are quite a few others like that in Tennessee's storied history. North Carolina, music city bowl, same year, for example. That one led to the 10 second runoff rule for an offensive penalty and a lot of other rules about clock management.

I honestly expected there to be a Wikipedia page about all the games Tennessee has been a part of that had some funky sh!t go down that led to a rule change or had some lasting impact on college football, but couldn't find anything. So I figured I'd ask VolNation.

Are there any others you folks recall? I don't want this to be a walk down bad memory lane, but I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Volfaninfl2]

It’s been a long time, but this is what I remember about a game at LSU when Dooley was Coach. LSU had the ball and did not convert on 4th down, but there was a penalty called on them, and they got the chance to redo 4th down. They ended up scoring.

Wasn’t the rule changed later that you do not get to keep the ball when you did not convert on 4th down, when a penalty is called on you. Their penalty helped them, we did not have the option to decline the penalty, and it gave them another play.

We may have gotten a penalty on their last play, but they should not have had another shot simply because a penalty was called on them.

We were screwed.

 

[kptvol1]

It’s been a long time, but this is what I remember about a game at LSU when Dooley was Coach. LSU had the ball and did not convert on 4th down, but there was a penalty called on them, and they got the chance to redo 4th down. They ended up scoring.

Wasn’t the rule changed later that you do not get to keep the ball when you did not convert on 4th down, when a penalty is called on you. Their penalty helped them, we did not have the option to decline the penalty, and it gave them another play.

We may have gotten a penalty on their last play, but they should not have had another shot simply because a penalty was called on them.

We were screwed.

I believe the Dooley game was the 13 men on the field at the end. I don’t remember what you’re talking about, but it may have been in the same game.

 

[General Jack]

Both of those games were in 2010, those are the breaks you don’t get when your program is led by Dooley and Hamilton.

 

[Volfaninfl2]

I believe the Dooley game was the 13 men on the field at the end. I don’t remember what you’re talking about, but it may have been in the same game.

I think it’s the same game. It was so frustrating (and it brought a rule change too late for us), but our penalty happened on a play after they got to keep the ball, when they should not even have had the ball.

 

[SpookyAction]

The offensive penalty was the UNC game at the Music City Bowl.

The LSU game ended with a defensive penalty called on our defense on a 4th down goal line stop. We still had players leaving the field, and I want to say 12 or 13 players participating during the play. LSU got a replay of 4th down and scored against 11 men on our defense.
Our coaching staff deserves the blame. They lost that game for us with poor player management at the worst possible time.

 

[ftsandersvol]

I'm pretty sure the Gaffney non-catch in the 2000 Florida game is what led to the introduction of replay. At least that's what I'm going to tell my grandchildren.

 

[TC 83]

Tn had the penalty with 12-13 men on field. It wouldn’t of mattered…LSU had the snap go high and got bailed out by our penalty. Scored on the replay. That was bad coaching by UT staff.

 

[DC_Vol]

Both of those games were in 2010, those are the breaks you don’t get when your program is led by Dooley and Hamilton.

Unfortunately I saw both of those in person. It left psychological scars.

 

[General Jack]

Unfortunately I saw both of those in person. It left psychological scars.

No doubt.

I was at the bowl game. I watched the LSU game with a couple of LSU friends. Went crazy and showed my ass after the first 4th down and then we lost. Good times .

 

[Flipdaddy]

With tomorrow's game against LSU, it got me thinking about that debacle in 2010. For those who don't remember, we won the game (with too many men on the field), but the play was reviewed and a penalty assessed after the unpenalized play was over. I'm pretty sure nothing like that had happened in college ball up until that point in time, or at least that I've seen.

There are quite a few others like that in Tennessee's storied history. North Carolina, music city bowl, same year, for example. That one led to the 10 second runoff rule for an offensive penalty and a lot of other rules about clock management.

I honestly expected there to be a Wikipedia page about all the games Tennessee has been a part of that had some funky sh!t go down that led to a rule change or had some lasting impact on college football, but couldn't find anything. So I figured I'd ask VolNation.

Are there any others you folks recall? I don't want this to be a walk down bad memory lane, but I'm genuinely curious.

Man….the crap we’ve been through. I think it’s a big possibility that if that game had went our way, Dooley may have gotten some momentum but honestly I believe it killed the spirit.

 

[DC_Vol]

Man….the crap we’ve been through. I think it’s a big possibility that if that game had went our way, Dooley may have gotten some momentum but honestly I believe it killed the spirit.

Yeah that 2010 season was tough.

- Fulmer is whacked with in 08.
- Lane vanished like a fart in the wind in early 2010.
- The 2010 season was a train wreck.
- By the 2011 Arkansas game, it was apparent to me UT football was a shell of what it once was.

 

[B81]

The offensive penalty was the UNC game at the Music City Bowl.

The LSU game ended with a defensive penalty called on our defense on a 4th down goal line stop. We still had players leaving the field, and I want to say 12 or 13 players participating during the play. LSU got a replay of 4th down and scored against 11 men on our defense.
Our coaching staff deserves the blame. They lost that game for us with poor player management at the worst possible time.

Although, that play also resulted in a rule change. LSU changed their personnel, and snapped the ball before we were able to substitute. If that happenes today, the official would be standing over the ball and would not allow them to snap until we were set. The clock would expire, and we would win.

 

[VOLdo Raine]

Unfortunately I saw both of those in person. It left psychological scars.

My sister and brother in law were at both of those games as well. She said the LSU crowd was the worst crowd she'd ever seen.

 

[TrueOrange]

I think it’s the same game. It was so frustrating (and it brought a rule change too late for us), but our penalty happened on a play after they got to keep the ball, when they should not even have had the ball.

It doesn’t look like it:

 

[Sarms58]

I believe the Dooley game was the 13 men on the field at the end. I don’t remember what you’re talking about, but it may have been in the same game.

Yes, we had 13 men on the field on defense for the last play. Their center snaped the ball over the QBs head and it looked like we had won but they got to do the play again and won. After the game, we retrained the coaches on how to count.

 

[Sarms58]

The offensive penalty was the UNC game at the Music City Bowl.

Yes. That's the one that resulted in the rule change. Their center ran up and snapped the ball to the QB with a couple of seconds on the clock but way before they were setup - it wasn't even close. But the refs blew the whistle, stopped the clock and penalized them 5 yards - which let them get set and snap and spike the ball as soon as it was marked ready for play. They kicked the FG and beat us in OT.

 

[sunnyvol79]

Dooley was just totally lost as a head coach always had that befuddled look on the sideline it was a terrible hire he had a losing record at La. tech why would anybody think he would be successful in the SEC and at a place like Tennessee

 

[onevol74]

The Gaffney non-catch redefined how officiating defines a catch. That play would have never been defined as a catch by anyone other than a Vanderbilt graduate in Neyland Stadium.