Two bigs -- the next trend?

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We are transitioning into a "positionless" era in which the 6'3 to 6'5s have the height to block a shot, as well as the ball handling skill to shake and bake. Many teams these days operate exclusively with guards and forwards, with emphasis on precise passing and outside shooting.

With that said, the role of the big-bigs is becoming ever clearer after this season of college ball, and the bigs will be on full display this summer in the WNBA. After seeing Baylor's dual combo work so effectively this season, I have the feeling we will see more two-big combos in the future.
 
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We are transitioning into a "positionless" era in which the 6'3 to 6'5s have the height to block a shot, as well as the ball handling skill to shake and bake. Many teams these days operate exclusively with guards and forwards, with emphasis on precise passing and outside shooting.

With that said, the role of the big-bigs is becoming ever clearer after this season of college ball, and the bigs will be on full display this summer in the WNBA. After seeing Baylor's dual combo work so effectively this season, I have the feeling we will see more two-big combos in the future.
I'm not sure there are enough quality big girls to go around for too many teams to effectively run the two big offense like Baylor did this year. Kim is a magnet for the best big girls in the country, which is why she said multiple times in press conferences at the NCAA tournament, "hey you big girls, come on to Waco, I won't just use you to set screens." Lol

Baylor's offense would not have been effective with anyone else but Cox at that 4 position, her decision making, passing and ability to score from multiple places on the court from that FT line area were the primary reasons Baylor could run that two post offense. Not often you're going to find teams with a 6'7" and 6'5" who are that talented and able to play off of one another like they did.

It was very effective for Baylor though, especially against those teams trying to play position-less basketball like you mentioned. They just could not match-up with Baylor. Even Notre Dame struggled until Cox went out with the injury and they were running their offense with two bigs as well.

In the entire country there were maybe 4 other true post players as good as Kalani and Lauren: Gustafson, McCowan, Shepherd and Hebard. And Cox made life tough for 3/4 of them in the NCAA tournament.
 
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We are transitioning into a "positionless" era in which the 6'3 to 6'5s have the height to block a shot, as well as the ball handling skill to shake and bake. Many teams these days operate exclusively with guards and forwards, with emphasis on precise passing and outside shooting.

With that said, the role of the big-bigs is becoming ever clearer after this season of college ball, and the bigs will be on full display this summer in the WNBA. After seeing Baylor's dual combo work so effectively this season, I have the feeling we will see more two-big combos in the future.

The 3 point shot is the reason most teams don't need that many big ladies. In women basketball the quick small guards are more important especially if they can drive or post up for the 3 point shot. Holley never adjusted.......I hope Kellie is willing to adjust and recruit the talented guards. They are so much more valuable then the big slow ladies. Mainly you need a few bigs to rebound and block shots but many of the quick mid size to small ladies who are quick and can hit the 3.
 
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I'm not sure there are enough quality big girls to go around for too many teams to effectively run the two big offense like Baylor did this year. Kim is a magnet for the best big girls in the country, which is why she said multiple times in press conferences at the NCAA tournament, "hey you big girls, come on to Waco, I won't just use you to set screens." Lol

Baylor's offense would not have been effective with anyone else but Cox at that 4 position, her decision making, passing and ability to score from multiple places on the court from that FT line area were the primary reasons Baylor could run that two post offense. Not often you're going to find teams with a 6'7" and 6'5" who are that talented and able to play off of one another like they did.

It was very effective for Baylor though, especially against those teams trying to play position-less basketball like you mentioned. They just could not match-up with Baylor. Even Notre Dame struggled until Cox went out with the injury and they were running their offense with two bigs as well.

In the entire country there were maybe 4 other true post players as good as Kalani and Lauren: Gustafson, McCowan, Shepherd and Hebard. And Cox made life tough for 3/4 of them in the NCAA tournament.
Bingo. There's a reason Cox was the #1 recruit in 2016...posts who are true triple threats from 15-20 feet don't grow on trees. If you have the players with the skillset to utilize a double big high low, do it, but don't force it. Play to your strengths.
 
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Bingo. There's a reason Cox was the #1 recruit in 2016...posts who are true triple threats from 15-20 feet don't grow on trees. If you have the players with the skillset to utilize a double big high low, do it, but don't force it. Play to your strengths.
Exactly, that's what the best coaches do. They look at what they have and adjust their game plan to take advantage of it as best possible.

The two big lineup often does not work for defensive reasons as well. Consider teams like MSST last year who had Victoria Vivians playing the 4. Cox is an incredible defender both in the paint and on the perimeter so she can adsorb whatever defensive assignment they needed her to so they can run that offense. Most teams would have to adjust defensively if they came up against someone playing a smaller line-up with a stretch 4, but not Baylor.
 
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The 3 point shot is the reason most teams don't need that many big ladies. In women basketball the quick small guards are more important especially if they can drive or post up for the 3 point shot. Holley never adjusted.......I hope Kellie is willing to adjust and recruit the talented guards. They are so much more valuable then the big slow ladies. Mainly you need a few bigs to rebound and block shots but many of the quick mid size to small ladies who are quick and can hit the 3.
I'm not sure there are enough quality big girls to go around for too many teams to effectively run the two big offense like Baylor did this year. Kim is a magnet for the best big girls in the country, which is why she said multiple times in press conferences at the NCAA tournament, "hey you big girls, come on to Waco, I won't just use you to set screens." Lol

Baylor's offense would not have been effective with anyone else but Cox at that 4 position, her decision making, passing and ability to score from multiple places on the court from that FT line area were the primary reasons Baylor could run that two post offense. Not often you're going to find teams with a 6'7" and 6'5" who are that talented and able to play off of one another like they did.

It was very effective for Baylor though, especially against those teams trying to play position-less basketball like you mentioned. They just could not match-up with Baylor. Even Notre Dame struggled until Cox went out with the injury and they were running their offense with two bigs as well.

In the entire country there were maybe 4 other true post players as good as Kalani and Lauren: Gustafson, McCowan, Shepherd and Hebard. And Cox made life tough for 3/4 of them in the NCAA tournament.
I agree if 6-5 Cox did not get hurt the game was pretty much out of reach for ND. To win you will need someone to patrol the middle so you can extend the defense.
 

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