Trump, Mussolini, Nazis and the 2nd Amendment

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So Trump tells us he loves uneducated voters and all his critics say "see, it's just dumb racists that like him".

Then some of those critics trot out the comparisons to Mussolini, Hitler, etc. Hell, the Wall Street Journal today has a piece about Trump's rise being very similar to Mussolini.

So a couple thoughts. 1) Isn't it uneducated (or at least gross oversimplification and paranoia) to link Trump to those guys and
2) if these people really belief Trump is the second coming of Fascism then shouldn't those critics be full throated supporters of the 2nd Amendment? Isn't an armed populace the best defense against a fascist government.

I'm rambling but it's funny and sad to me how seemingly intelligent people go immediately to the Hitler/Mussolini card when they don't like an R candidate.
 
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It's not possible because the left already told us G Dubya was Hitler. They are running out of bad guys.
 
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theFallGuy said:
It's not possible because the left already told us G Dubya was Hitler. They are running out of bad guys.
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The GOP Establishment is spending millions of dollars trying to destroy Trump not the Dems. That will come later.
 
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Gramps said:
The GOP Establishment is spending millions of dollars trying to destroy Trump not the Dems. That will come later.
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They're practically joining forces to do it right now. Trump is a jerk and we all know it. But clearly he scares the establishment and that's why I think we need him.
 
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Gramps said:
The GOP Establishment is spending millions of dollars trying to destroy Trump not the Dems. That will come later.
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He will dismantle the good ole boys network from both sides of the aisle. The hysteria is proof, because he's not an insider from DC.
 
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volinbham said:
So a couple thoughts. 1) Isn't it uneducated (or at least gross oversimplification and paranoia) to link Trump to those guys
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If we are talking specific to the way they are rising into power and political philosophy aside, the comparisons do make some sense. And it's not unthinkable to use historical comparisons to modern day leaders.

However, invoking the image of Benito Mussolini and what he stood for is likely the ultimate goal and one I agree with. Hitler is way off base, though and I'd agree.


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2) if these people really belief Trump is the second coming of Fascism then shouldn't those critics be full throated supporters of the 2nd Amendment? Isn't an armed populace the best defense against a fascist government.
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You could make some liberal's heads explode with that thought process.
 
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Gramps said:
The GOP Establishment is spending millions of dollars trying to destroy Trump not the Dems. That will come later.
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They are busy biting their nails and developing a Plan B for their two front runners. It will indeed come later and it will come with a fury.
 
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davethevol said:
They're practically joining forces to do it right now. Trump is a jerk and we all know it. But clearly he scares the establishment and that's why I think we need him.
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They had a meeting this weekend at Sea Island GA (an exclusive resort) with CEOs of major corps to try to bring him down. It was lead by Karl Rove
 
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a lot of his comments do come off very fascist. Serve me not the state, my authority reins supreme, etc etc.
 
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It's just part of the full court press the Republican establishment and especially the PACs are putting on Trump right now. They'll be painting him as a child molester soon.
 
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I think you could find parallels in the rise of many candidates to Europe of the 30s.

My larger point is that seemingly intelligent people fear he would be one of these characters. It's absurd.

The side point is that the liberal argument against 2nd amendment rights and the poopooing of the notion of a check against a tyrannical government is negated if you believe Trump could turn out like one of them fellers.

It's not just the GOP making these comparisons.
 
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volinbham said:
2) if these people really belief Trump is the second coming of Fascism then shouldn't those critics be full throated supporters of the 2nd Amendment? Isn't an armed populace the best defense against a fascist government.
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How many times has an armed populace been the primary reason of the fall of a fascist government?
 
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volinbham said:
I think you could find parallels in the rise of many candidates to Europe of the 30s.

My larger point is that seemingly intelligent people fear he would be one of these characters. It's absurd.

The side point is that the liberal argument against 2nd amendment rights and the poopooing of the notion of a check against a tyrannical government is negated if you believe Trump could turn out like one of them fellers.

It's not just the GOP making these comparisons.
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based on his quotes he at least has some tendencies. I don't have TV and don't really keep up with national news and I could very well think Trump pushing on some boundaries. I wouldn't say he is fascist, or will be, but its something to keep an eye on imo.
 
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volinbham said:
I think you could find parallels in the rise of many candidates to Europe of the 30s.

My larger point is that seemingly intelligent people fear he would be one of these characters. It's absurd.

The side point is that the liberal argument against 2nd amendment rights and the poopooing of the notion of a check against a tyrannical government is negated if you believe Trump could turn out like one of them fellers.

It's not just the GOP making these comparisons.
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It's funny how history repeats itself isn't it?
 
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I'm a liberal and I don't hate the 2nd Amendment. I think guns for hunting and home defense are just fine. The "assault" weapons and other various guns created for killing people in war or whatever, I'm not as cool with, but even those can be owned and operated properly by the people just fine in my experiences here in the south. You can't ever stop every lunatic, even with a ban.

As for Trump's fascist-like ways? They bother me not because I think he will become a dictator like Mussolini or Hitler, but because his rhetoric is stirring up the worst among us and emboldening them. I am not worried about our military ever taking up guns against the American people under Obama's FEMA camp/marshal law or under Trump. I'm more afraid of the dumbasses who have come out of the woodwork because they think it's okay to act a certain way because the Donald does.
 
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volinbham said:
So Trump tells us he loves uneducated voters and all his critics say "see, it's just dumb racists that like him".

Then some of those critics trot out the comparisons to Mussolini, Hitler, etc. Hell, the Wall Street Journal today has a piece about Trump's rise being very similar to Mussolini.

So a couple thoughts. 1) Isn't it uneducated (or at least gross oversimplification and paranoia) to link Trump to those guys and
2) if these people really belief Trump is the second coming of Fascism then shouldn't those critics be full throated supporters of the 2nd Amendment? Isn't an armed populace the best defense against a fascist government.

I'm rambling but it's funny and sad to me how seemingly intelligent people go immediately to the Hitler/Mussolini card when they don't like an R candidate.
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I'd see where you were coming from if Trump actually gave a **** about our constitutional rights. Even in the midst of all his squawking and banter, he really hasn't brought up guns and freedom of the press, which (as you know) were among the first things to be gutted during those regimes. In fact, he's expressed interest in assault rifle bans and more thorough checks. Along with that notion, he wrote,

"It’s often argued that the American murder rate is high because guns are more available here than in other countries. Democrats want to confiscate all guns, which is a dumb idea because only the law-abiding citizens would turn in their guns and the bad guys would be the only ones left armed. The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse even limited restrictions."

To me, that just seems as though he thinks a ban wouldn't work. My guess is that he doesn't have a problem with gun control. He only has a problem with boneheaded solutions promoted by the far left.

I think the Hitler/Mussolini comparisons are drawn from his demagoguery. We haven't seen a candidate garner such passionate, radical, widespread support in a presidential election quite like he has. The blind following is staggering (and I thought '04 was nuts). He clearly doesn't have much of a clue when it comes to passing legislation, dealing with foreign dignitaries, or running a national economy (which you and I both know is completely different than a real-estate company). He appeals to a man's medulla.

He isn't making this election about us. He's hardly making it about the country itself. This is the germination of a personality cult. This is about him. Sure, his voters are drawn to some of the ideas he's laid out (the xenophobic, **** you approach to immigration) and the proposed genocide of the radical Islamic family tree. There are no specific or tangible routes to these policies, but a great deal of people like the ideas. They like that he isn't afraid to say them.

Who knows though. I'm sure a lot of Euro's doubted that Hitler could exterminate 75% of a religion/people.

Anyway, that's my take on the comparison. You see some of his supporters at rallies and you could swear some of them were future brownshirts.
 
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hog88 said:
Sorry dink but only the simple minded think Trump is any more of a racist than the Dem candidates.
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Yaddayaddayadda. Passing the buck doesn't change the fact that he's a truly bigoted piece of ****.

Sure, a lot of dems use the AA vote to win and gear some of their policies to ensure that, but the GOP primarily looks out for us. They back the prisons, the back the LEO's, and they love gentrification.

Dems use AA's. GOP looks to keep them away from the middle class.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Yaddayaddayadda. Passing the buck doesn't change the fact that he's a truly bigoted piece of ****.

Sure, a lot of dems use the AA vote to win and gear some of their policies to ensure that, but the GOP primarily looks out for us. They back the prisons, the back the LEO's, and they love gentrification.

Dems use AA's. GOP looks to keep them away from the middle class.
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I actually agree that Trump is a racist. I think that many politicians are racists including Hillary and Obama. That's just reality.
 
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