Trump: giving license to incivility everywhere

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A Republican sums up the entire sorry state of affairs, and truer words never spoken.

The angry forces that propelled President Trump’s rise are beginning to frame and define the rest of the Republican Party.
When GOP House candidate Greg Gianforte assaulted a reporter who had attempted to ask him a question Wednesday night in Montana, many saw not an isolated outburst by an individual, but the obvious, violent result of Trump’s charge that journalists are “the enemy of the people.” Nonetheless, Gianforte won Thursday’s special election to fill a safe Republican seat.
“Respectfully, I’d submit that the president has unearthed some demons,” Rep. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.) said. “I’ve talked to a number of people about it back home. They say, ‘Well, look, if the president can say whatever, why can’t I say whatever?’ He’s given them license.”
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A Republican sums up the entire sorry state of affairs, and truer words never spoken.
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I have been saying this for awhile. Trump really needs to step up his game in this area. He might actually be surprised by the results.

It's my belief that Trump is a pretty good negotiator in a private setting. He makes outlandish demands and then settles for something less. It is negotiation tactics 101. However, this isn't a private setting. The politicians on the hill have no vested interest in completing a "project" (I am using that term loosely. It is an apt description of the subject of private trump negotiations, but really just as applicable when talking about a particular bill or issue). When he acts like a douche bag, politicians stop listening and just oppose him to oppose him. Some of his ideas are solid. Some are dog sh!t, but each needs to be evaluated on its merits. That isn't possible when you goad people into hating you and create an us against the world mentality.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I have been saying this for awhile. Trump really needs to step up his game in this area. He might actually be surprised by the results.

It's my belief that Trump is a pretty good negotiator in a private setting. He makes outlandish demands and then settles for something less. It is negotiation tactics 101. However, this isn't a private setting. The politicians on the hill have no vested interest in completing a "project" (I am using that term loosely. It is an apt description of the subject of private trump negotiations, but really just as applicable when talking about a particular bill or issue). When he acts like a douche bag, politicians stop listening and just oppose him to oppose him. Some of his ideas are solid. Some are dog sh!t, but each needs to be evaluated on its merits. That isn't possible when you goad people into hating you and create an us against the world mentality.
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I wouldn't say "settle for something less". He settles for what he thinks gives him the advantage which is typically what he wanted to begin with.

That's Negotiation 101.

As for your "acting like a douche" thoughts. The opposing just to oppose started before he even stepped into the White House. For crying out loud, do you honestly think the opposition to some of his Cabinet choices had any grounds in reality? Gillibrand's opposition to Mattis? The DNC block on Tillerson? The ignorance displayed by the DNC on the Gorsuch nomination? Trump was mainly silent on the SCOTUS nomination except to say "go nuclear and get it over with" to McConnell after it was clear he was being opposed because his name wasn't Garland and because Trump nominated him. So, you cannot say his douchy ways caused that.

These things were put into play long before Trump got into office. It's hard to reach out with an olive branch when the opposition's first reaction it to take it away and try to beat you with it.
 
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Please - enough of this Trump is releasing the demons.

There are hundreds of examples of violence, crudeness and insanity by people on the left and no one (D leadership) is saying anything about it.

I saw people defending the Kathy Griffin thing because Trump is crude and therefore all is fair game - amazing rationalization. The left has always used extreme language and violent means to advance their agenda and it has ramped up significantly. It is romanticized as "The Resistance" but it's thuggery.

This is not a Trump phenomenon - it's been brewing for a long time and has a thousand fathers.
 
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lawgator1 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...94ee67a7582_story.html?utm_term=.ec087a0802b4


A Republican sums up the entire sorry state of affairs, and truer words never spoken.
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The MSM are in the back pocket of the left. There is no unbiased reporting from them. The leftist protesters and anarchists stormed Trump rally venues inside and out pre-election,assaulting people trying to exercise their constitutional rights, tried to stop rallies using intimidation and violence, there's a f'ing riot every week where they attack/beat/destroy persons and property....and they blame all of this on Trump? Okay, sure, if no one wants to dig deeper. Gianforte was a douche to be sure, but this whole climate is not a one way street by any means. And btw, the republican congress has issued subpoenas in its investigation of Trump for Flynn, Trumps personal attorney Mike Cohen, the NSA, the FBI and CIA. Make no mistake about it, had Hillary won, a democrat congress wouldnt have the balls or a moral compass to launch an investigation into the Clinton foundation nor her emails. And there was plenty there to bring charges against her, but Comey wiggled out of it. But the left sure as hell doesn't own the moral high ground. Hell, they couldn't find it if you gave em a gps a block away from it.
 
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When a demographic is pushed around, marginalized, mocked, and unheard the eventual response, historically, is physical. Protests (peaceful and violent), confrontation between individuals, and even riots are typically seen.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I wouldn't say "settle for something less". He settles for what he thinks gives him the advantage which is typically what he wanted to begin with.

That's Negotiation 101.

As for your "acting like a douche" thoughts. The opposing just to oppose started before he even stepped into the White House. For crying out loud, do you honestly think the opposition to some of his Cabinet choices had any grounds in reality? Gillibrand's opposition to Mattis? The DNC block on Tillerson? The ignorance displayed by the DNC on the Gorsuch nomination? Trump was mainly silent on the SCOTUS nomination except to say "go nuclear and get it over with" to McConnell after it was clear he was being opposed because his name wasn't Garland and because Trump nominated him. So, you cannot say his douchy ways caused that.

These things were put into play long before Trump got into office. It's hard to reach out with an olive branch when the opposition's first reaction it to take it away and try to beat you with it.
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That's what Trump wants you to believe. He's made plenty of crap deals.

Trump set his tone during the election. He needs start the reconciliation process with republicans. He's not just alienating dems.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
That's what Trump wants you to believe. He's made plenty of crap deals.
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That wasn't specific to Trump. A more generic negotiating tactic. Always start with something absurd and settle at close to what you want. Case in point, most military folks that have been to the Middle East know the merchants over there start asking around $100 for the fake Rolex and Fossil watches.

They settle around $20-30 per watch. And probably still make a killer profit. You start at $5 and move up. Still get the watch in the end. But they start at absurd levels because as PT Barnum had a saying about suckers...

Anyway, start high, end in the middle. Negotiation 101.

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Trump set his tone during the election. He needs start the reconciliation process with republicans. He's not just alienating dems.
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<sigh> Not reading my post I see. You say "alienating" like it was something he did once he got into office or even immediately after the election. The DNC had their mind made up way before he took the oath they were going to obstruct everything he did. You ignored the examples I provided because they blow your pet theory out of the water that it's all Trump's fault.

News flash, it happened before with the GOP and Obama. No reason to think the DNC was going to be any different with Trump. Good grief, some were calling for his impeachment before he even took office.

I like you CWV, but your disdain of Trump clouds your judgement on anything related to him. You can be objective and reasonable as you've demonstrated in the past. Try it now for a change.
 
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This reminds me if when Obama did nothing but throw fuel on the race rioters instead of using his position to try and quell the violence. Instead he blamed the cops and made excuses for the rioters.
 
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This reminds me if when Obama did nothing but throw fuel on the race rioters instead of using his position to try and quell the violence. Instead he blamed the cops and made excuses for the rioters.
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:lolabove::eek:lol::birgits_giggle:

That's cute. you can't honestly believe that is what happened. lol
 
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We have a president who's disposition just pisses people off. That's just his nature. It's not new. Everyone has known it for years. it's not going to change and in the long run it's not going to serve him well. He'll never be a leader on the world stage. He will only be a leader of the pathetic rabble that elected him.
 
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MT LeConte said:
We have a president who's disposition just pisses people off. That's just his nature. It's not new. Everyone has known it for years. it's not going to change and in the long run it's not going to serve him well. He'll never be a leader on the world stage. He will only be a leader of the pathetic rabble that elected him.
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He's leading you. Donnie is all up in your head.
 
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MT LeConte said:
We have a president who's disposition just pisses people off. That's just his nature. It's not new. Everyone has known it for years. it's not going to change and in the long run it's not going to serve him well. He'll never be a leader on the world stage. He will only be a leader of the pathetic rabble that elected him.
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Its more than just a "disposition."

The "Get him out of here's" and the screaming at reporters at his rallies that they are the enemy of the people, and egging others on to go after the press, is more than a bad disposition or questionable temperament.

His over-the-top antics and statements about the media have in many ways and in many instances caused restraint to give way. It seems to approve of actions by his supporters that would squelch free speech and freedom of the press.

Now, I have no problem with him saying the mainstream media are not fair and do not report on him evenly. He can certainly criticize them, just as they criticize him.

But anyone who watched the way he viciously went after them and seemed to encourage hostility at least bordering on violence against them, and refuses to admit the effect that has on the extremes in the Trump base, is just not being honest.
 
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MT LeConte said:
We have a president who's disposition just pisses people off. That's just his nature. It's not new. Everyone has known it for years. it's not going to change and in the long run it's not going to serve him well. He'll never be a leader on the world stage. He will only be a leader of the pathetic rabble that elected him.
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Who says the POTUS has to be the leader of the world stage? We have enough problems here, screw the rest of the world.
 
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MT LeConte said:
We have a president who's disposition just pisses people off. That's just his nature. It's not new. Everyone has known it for years. it's not going to change and in the long run it's not going to serve him well. He'll never be a leader on the world stage. He will only be a leader of the pathetic rabble that elected him.
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The liberal/progressive side has felt for a while that it had all the worthwhile knowledge and thoughts, owned the country, and controlled the agenda. Dissent was not tolerated by the people who thought they owned the right to speak for everyone. It took a while for the rest of the country to decide it had had enough. That's what got you Trump - he wasn't a continuation of the smug intolerant liberal/progressive agenda, and in some of our eyes he certainly wasn't Clinton.

If your definition of incivility is the "pathetic rabble" and the "deplorables" deciding to offer a rebuttal, then perhaps your ilk shouldn't have worked so hard to marginalize everyone else. Funny that when Clinton used the term "deplorables" it seemed to galvanize the other side - not quite what she had in mind, so no problem adding "pathetic rabble" to it. Why don't you see if you can find a Clinton clone to spark that flame.
 
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Is he releasing demons or are conservatives starting to push back on incessant progressive attacks? Last November was a big middle finger from the silent voters, the ones that were told a Clinton presidency was a done deal. All democrats could talk about was how the RNC convention would be a bloodbath of gun toting racists, and it was their convention that saw violence and disturbances from their own base. There's a lot of people who are fed up with the idea that a dissenting opinion means you're sexist, racist, homophobic, etc. Call me when white republicans start burning down gas stations and shooting at cops at rallies.
 
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The liberal/progressive side has felt for a while that it had all the worthwhile knowledge and thoughts, owned the country, and controlled the agenda. Dissent was not tolerated by the people who thought they owned the right to speak for everyone. It took a while for the rest of the country to decide it had had enough. That's what got you Trump - he wasn't a continuation of the smug intolerant liberal/progressive agenda, and in some of our eyes he certainly wasn't Clinton.

If your definition of incivility is the "pathetic rabble" and the "deplorables" deciding to offer a rebuttal, then perhaps your ilk shouldn't have worked so hard to marginalize everyone else. Funny that when Clinton used the term "deplorables" it seemed to galvanize the other side - not quite what she had in mind, so no problem adding "pathetic rabble" to it. Why don't you see if you can find a Clinton clone to spark that flame.
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Is he releasing demons or are conservatives starting to push back on incessant progressive attacks? Last November was a big middle finger from the silent voters, the ones that were told a Clinton presidency was a done deal. All democrats could talk about was how the RNC convention would be a bloodbath of gun toting racists, and it was their convention that saw violence and disturbances from their own base. There's a lot of people who are fed up with the idea that a dissenting opinion means you're sexist, racist, homophobic, etc. Call me when white republicans start burning down gas stations and shooting at cops at rallies.
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Yall realize he got less votes than the Hillary and only about 25% of the country supports him right? The only thing the election proved is that the EC needs to be abolished so that the actual views of Americans can be represented. So good candidates, and not just just the loons that can excite the low info voters in rural areas that have an unbalanced amount of voting power, will win in a close election.
 
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