Trump Assassination Attempt(s)

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Sudden Impact said:
Technically no, but the verdict is already in. Means, motive and opportunity are not working in his favor. Speedy trial of which I see no defense to cast reasonable doubt on his actions.
Attempts on Trump have seen two amateurs take the stage and a whole lot of security issues.
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I don't know how we get 'to just put him away' without a trial.

Now maybe he is wanting his defense replaced because they don't wanna plead guilty. But that would be the best thing to accomplish what you want. Dude should plead guilty and then they can continue with his psyche evals in jail.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Technically no, but the verdict is already in. Means, motive and opportunity are not working in his favor. Speedy trial of which I see no defense to cast reasonable doubt on his actions.
Attempts on Trump have seen two amateurs take the stage and a whole lot of security issues.
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I don't care if you have me on video close up with the smoking gun, I'll still claim you got the wrong guy
 
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swampfoxfan said:
I don't care if you have me on video close up with the smoking gun, I'll still claim you got the wrong guy
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sure that is what the trial is for and denial always stands a chance, but in this case? Claiming you got the wrong guy after admitting to your intent is a great mental defense case. In essence, he confirmed that he is not mentally stable.
 
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So by not sharing they actively encouraged it by non intervention ...

From the article:

Senior-level Secret Service officials failed to share “classified threat information” related to President Trump with those assigned to protect him during the Pennsylvania campaign rally where he was nearly assassinated, according to a congressional watchdog report. \

The Government Accountability Office (GAO) found the classified intelligence had been presented to Secret Service officials a full 10 days before the July 13, 2024 assassination attempt in Butler, but the agency’s “siloed practice for sharing” sensitive information resulted in few being aware of the threat against Trump’s life.

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Secret Service officials were aware of ‘classified threat’ 10 days before Butler assassination attempt, failed to tell agents guarding Trump

Senior-level Secret Service officials failed to share “classified threat information” related to President Trump with those assigned to protect him.
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McDad said:
I don't know how we get 'to just put him away' without a trial.

Now maybe he is wanting his defense replaced because they don't wanna plead guilty. But that would be the best thing to accomplish what you want. Dude should plead guilty and then they can continue with his psyche evals in jail.
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I think they were referred to as “federally appointed”. My thoughts are if you try to kill the president, you very well may have a mistrust of the government in general and prefer to either find your own representation or (hopefully because it’ll be interesting) represent yourself
 
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CobbVol said:
So by not sharing they actively encouraged it by non intervention ...

From the article:

Senior-level Secret Service officials failed to share “classified threat information” related to President Trump with those assigned to protect him during the Pennsylvania campaign rally where he was nearly assassinated, according to a congressional watchdog report. \

The Government Accountability Office (GAO) found the classified intelligence had been presented to Secret Service officials a full 10 days before the July 13, 2024 assassination attempt in Butler, but the agency’s “siloed practice for sharing” sensitive information resulted in few being aware of the threat against Trump’s life.

nypost.com

Secret Service officials were aware of ‘classified threat’ 10 days before Butler assassination attempt, failed to tell agents guarding Trump

Senior-level Secret Service officials failed to share “classified threat information” related to President Trump with those assigned to protect him.
nypost.com nypost.com
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Bottom line if you can get a 200 yd shot off from a easily seen roof top position. There is more than a lack of sharing information. There was a major on site communications problem as well.

Even without the information above in pre planning, this was a total security fail of which all occurred on the ground.

Point fingers at the Secret Service, but everybody failed in this total event. They all played like a bunch of rookies.
 
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Funny how the hacks are now super quiet after the nonpartisan GAO report eviscerated the Secret Service for the lack of training, communication, resources, denied requests (double digits) and size of the protection detail one year ago....
 
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VOLLeeann said:
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you ever cut yourself, look at it, don't see any or much blood and think its not that bad, then like 2 seconds later its bleeding pretty bad?

that is probably what happened here.

also could just be where you don't actually touch the wound itself when checking yourself.

and they still don't call into question the picture of the bullet itself. the bullet being that close, but in conspiracy land missing, is not something any marksman would trust to. that level of coordination between Trump and shooter would be impossible, and the level of precision needed with the weapon of question is not possible.

I know this won't mean anything to you but the MOA for that gun, and the ammo used, puts the grouping at that range where the margin of error is Trump is dead probably 5 times out of 10. just because you don't understand the reasons behind something doesn't mean there are no reasonable reasons behind the explanation.
 
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LouderVol said:
I know this won't mean anything to you but the MOA for that gun, and the ammo used, puts the grouping at that range where the margin of error is Trump is dead probably 5 times out of 10. just because you don't understand the reasons behind something doesn't mean there are no reasonable reasons behind the explanation.
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Facts. The boldened in particular is the base premise for people that want to believe something and aren't interested in countervailing evidence. (In fairness to VL it's part of human nature to somewhat be that way and something we all need to resist in our own biases. Now having said that some people are much more willing to give in to that urge than others.)
 
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I have posted it here before. But here is someone testing the assassination attempt. It does a pretty good job of showing how close things were.

Some NSFW language.



Just before the 4 minute mark they show what trumps head would have looked like. At 7 minutes they show that the ear could have been winged without being ripped off.
 
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CobbVol said:
So by not sharing they actively encouraged it by non intervention ...

From the article:

Senior-level Secret Service officials failed to share “classified threat information” related to President Trump with those assigned to protect him during the Pennsylvania campaign rally where he was nearly assassinated, according to a congressional watchdog report. \

The Government Accountability Office (GAO) found the classified intelligence had been presented to Secret Service officials a full 10 days before the July 13, 2024 assassination attempt in Butler, but the agency’s “siloed practice for sharing” sensitive information resulted in few being aware of the threat against Trump’s life.

nypost.com

Secret Service officials were aware of ‘classified threat’ 10 days before Butler assassination attempt, failed to tell agents guarding Trump

Senior-level Secret Service officials failed to share “classified threat information” related to President Trump with those assigned to protect him.
nypost.com nypost.com
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Was this the Iran-thing? The shooter seemed like a off his meds lone wolf type, not something that would be in a classified intelligence briefing.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Was this the Iran-thing? The shooter seemed like a off his meds lone wolf type, not something that would be in a classified intelligence briefing.
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Yes, the Iran thing. Clearly, Crooks wasnt associated with Iran.

The concern is the Trump campaign asked for and was denied resources at least 10x (Senate report). You have a well documented foreign threat less than 2 weeks prior to Butler and a history of denying resources. Trump was specifically denied drone resources for Butler. Sniper resources were originally denied until they got approved at the last moment (GAO Report). The higher level of SS resouces was allocated to a member of the POTUS's family with an event that night. The Secret Service agent who was responsible for identifying site vulnerabilities was new to her role. The Butler event was her first time planning and securing a large outdoor event as the site agent. (GAO Report).

Mayorkas and Cheatle lied their ass off just like Bondi is doing now with Epstein. Only raises the skeptical meter more...

@85SugarVol coined it best. Willful indifference.
 
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